^ A closable door separates both rooms that can provide privacy.
Urban Elitist wrote:Two words for Flamingo bowl to nip this in the bud quickly...."Dress Code". Simply ban baggy pants, jerseys, tennis shoes, and baseball hats to defeate their ilk.jlblues wrote:Umm, how shall I put this?The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Good way to lose a 3:00 am license. Mr. Kraiberg loves to hear about stuff like this.
So is the Palm Room where the private parties are? Where some hoosiers tyrying to crash it? Or were they hoosiers from the party?This wasn't hoosiers or trailer trash brawling in front of the FB, at least not according to the respective stereotypes, but it was definitely trash. See the Lucky's thread...
I simply can't believe that baseball players would act such a way. Surely Joe Edwards wouldn't to ban Cardinals players from visiting when it is so close to Busch Stadium.
Ironically enough, I think baseball and other jerseys are banned from the Jim Edmonds' owned F15teen.Bastiat wrote:I simply can't believe that baseball players would act such a way. Surely Joe Edwards wouldn't to ban Cardinals players from visiting when it is so close to Busch Stadium.
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Yes sir they are. Smart miove on 15's part. Hopefully Flamingo Bowl managers read this thread and follow suit. We're all tired of the thug elememnt (none of whom live DT themselves, they just show up to shoot up our otherwise happy neighborhood) thinking they're welcome DT any longer.innov8ion wrote:Ironically enough, I think baseball and other jerseys are banned from the Jim Edmonds' owned F15teen.Bastiat wrote:I simply can't believe that baseball players would act such a way. Surely Joe Edwards wouldn't to ban Cardinals players from visiting when it is so close to Busch Stadium.
F15teen is a different kind of establishment.....why should you have to dress up to bowl? BTW....what is the thug element? Some clarification would be nice based the comments made on this thread and the lucky's thread.....what were the drunks that got kicked out of FB wearing that night out of curiosity
Great comment. Great questions.STLight wrote:F15teen is a different kind of establishment.....why should you have to dress up to bowl? BTW....what is the thug element? Some clarification would be nice based the comments made on this thread and the lucky's thread.....what were the drunks that got kicked out of FB wearing that night out of curiosity
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STLight wrote:F15teen is a different kind of establishment.....why should you have to dress up to bowl? BTW....what is the thug element? Some clarification would be nice based the comments made on this thread and the lucky's thread.....what were the drunks that got kicked out of FB wearing that night out of curiosity
Cause you can't dress like a hetero (vs. metro) sexual and bowl at a joe edwards establishment.
Martini's at a freakin bowling alley? Are you kidding me? What's this world coming to?
Mike Hawk wrote:there were two unruly customers that managed to piss off the host of a private party in the palm room. His friends wanted them gone which resulted in the entire half of the bar going outside to beat the hell out of each other. Like twenty cop cars showed up, some dude got his ass beat so bad his clothes were town off, a cop got punched, mace went off, etc. Later, an escalade ran over a tree on the corner. In front of a cop.
I'd love to see an article or police report link.
Sorry if I was a d*ck to anyone, I was more than a bit pissed off.
I would love to see how the Evening Whirl writes this up.
I can sense your frustration and I'm sure it's not all like that. This ain't a hip-hop club. It's more chill. I sense that people have a respect for Joe Edwards and this isn't going to be a pattern; it's more of an idiosyncracy. In addition, his employees are excellent people. I've met almost all of them.
It's not clothes that cause problems; it's people. I can kinda understand dress-code restrictions at hip-hop clubs. But this is a bowling alley with good vibes. I think it can help bring people together. That's what Joe is all about. I can tell he's a very spiritual fellow.
You see, as much as I'm sensitive, I'm also protective/harsh because I was a Marine. I've been here many times. This place is good and I don't see any reason for overly-restrictive dress codes per se. It's a bit antithetical to Joe's philosophy I believe. But we'll see.
On another tip, I came here to chill out tonite because I was hungry and didn't feel like cooking. After a healthy portion of chicken quesadilla, I happened to partake of some Pyrat Rum. IE, sounds like Pirate. Now this is a very fine rum, aged up to 40 years and tasting like a fine cognac. If I were to compare, I'd say it tasted similar to an exquisite Cognac Miel, or honey cognac that I sampled just outside of Paris. Really, it was the best rum I have ever tasted. I'm not great at descriptions, but all I can say is that I treasured this drink slowly and guarded it from another bartender who cared to snake the glass before I was quite done. It's $30 for a shot in a snifter, and well worth it. No rocks, if you know what you're doing.
It's not clothes that cause problems; it's people. I can kinda understand dress-code restrictions at hip-hop clubs. But this is a bowling alley with good vibes. I think it can help bring people together. That's what Joe is all about. I can tell he's a very spiritual fellow.
You see, as much as I'm sensitive, I'm also protective/harsh because I was a Marine. I've been here many times. This place is good and I don't see any reason for overly-restrictive dress codes per se. It's a bit antithetical to Joe's philosophy I believe. But we'll see.
On another tip, I came here to chill out tonite because I was hungry and didn't feel like cooking. After a healthy portion of chicken quesadilla, I happened to partake of some Pyrat Rum. IE, sounds like Pirate. Now this is a very fine rum, aged up to 40 years and tasting like a fine cognac. If I were to compare, I'd say it tasted similar to an exquisite Cognac Miel, or honey cognac that I sampled just outside of Paris. Really, it was the best rum I have ever tasted. I'm not great at descriptions, but all I can say is that I treasured this drink slowly and guarded it from another bartender who cared to snake the glass before I was quite done. It's $30 for a shot in a snifter, and well worth it. No rocks, if you know what you're doing.
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Personally, I like the fact that Flamingo Bowl is casual. The whole ultra-lounge/bottle service/ fake tan/ striped shirt scene that occupies so many DT spots is a real turn off for me (and many others). I have found myself downtown exponentially more since FB opened and can honestly say that the day they start putting tough guys at the door and telling me to change my shoes, is the day I find another spot. Stuff goes down in bars (New Year's seems especially prone to incident), but Flamingo Bowl generally seems to have a low-key, peaceful and diverse crowd and I think a tightening of rules would be premature.
Also, maybe this is just my own personal bias, but clubs that are really strict about dress code and have massive body-builder doormen (not to mention metal detectors) seem to have a higher tension level, and more frequent trouble. Those things just indicate to me that a place is geared up for an incident (probably justifiably).
Also, maybe this is just my own personal bias, but clubs that are really strict about dress code and have massive body-builder doormen (not to mention metal detectors) seem to have a higher tension level, and more frequent trouble. Those things just indicate to me that a place is geared up for an incident (probably justifiably).
Oy vey, this is a delicate topic. Dress codes seem to work fairly well in limiting violence in clubs. Dress codes also serve to cater to a targeted clientele in upscale lounges and fine dining establishments. FB is more of a casual environment with a chill, diverse, indie vibe and less propensity for violence.
I think the answer rests with moderation due to the casual atmosphere but St. Louisan's actions will end up dictating the necessity for stricter measures. Vigilance by bouncers and other staff in heading off potential conflict is ideal as well.
But really, the NYE "event" was limited to fisticuffs and likely more of an anomaly than anything. It's possible people are giving it an abundance of attention because we all want this place to kick ass for years to come.
Interesting article for your perusal: http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=403524
I think the answer rests with moderation due to the casual atmosphere but St. Louisan's actions will end up dictating the necessity for stricter measures. Vigilance by bouncers and other staff in heading off potential conflict is ideal as well.
But really, the NYE "event" was limited to fisticuffs and likely more of an anomaly than anything. It's possible people are giving it an abundance of attention because we all want this place to kick ass for years to come.
Interesting article for your perusal: http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=403524
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I'm going to throw it out there that unlike Lucky's this is a one time occurrence at a Private New Years Eve party. New Years at any establishment has enough alcohol to be a Balkans style powder keg. I doubt this will be the norm at Flamingo and I think everyone here should take a step back and relax.
One incident is an anomaly. It won't be for some time until we can identify whether or not this will become a trend.
I think it won't.
One incident is an anomaly. It won't be for some time until we can identify whether or not this will become a trend.
I think it won't.
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Jeff707 wrote:Banning basball caps at a bowling alley is ridonkulous.
Ban jean shorts to keep the hoosiers out.
Who other than a hoosier would wear a baseball cap indoors? (or any kind of hat, for that matter)
So lets ban both.
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Jeff707 wrote:Banning basball caps at a bowling alley is ridonkulous.
Ban jean shorts to keep the hoosiers out.
Who other than a hoosier would wear a baseball cap indoors? (or any kind of hat, for that matter)
So lets ban both.
Hats are generally accepted in sports. I consider bowling a sport. That's all I was getting at.
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Jeff707 wrote:The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Jeff707 wrote:Banning basball caps at a bowling alley is ridonkulous.
Ban jean shorts to keep the hoosiers out.
Who other than a hoosier would wear a baseball cap indoors? (or any kind of hat, for that matter)
So lets ban both.
Hats are generally accepted in sports. I consider bowling a sport. That's all I was getting at.
Perhaps for pros, so they can have sponsor space, but not for regular people.
Bowling a sport? Yeah, maybe. I guess.
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Maybe we should wait and see if there are issues on nights when there doesn't happen to be a hip-hop record release party at FB. Something tells me everything will be fine.
Urban Elitist wrote:So you admit that it was this crowd that caused the problem.DeBaliviere wrote:Maybe we should wait and see if there are issues on nights when there doesn't happen to be a hip-hop record release party at FB. Something tells me everything will be fine.
Certainly. I just think that this will prove to be a one-time incident as opposed to a consistent pattern of fights.
Is there still good food, drink, music and bowling at Flamingo Bowl? Just wondering, since the topic has strayed for so long. And can't we discuss without attacking each other? Perhaps this can be everyone's urbanstl.com new year's resolution. I know I've been guilty of this in the past, but I've been working on it.
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Now that everyone has gone officially insane can the voice of mine and Deb's reason be heard?
One time incident.
Jumped the gun with the dress code edict.
False start.
Please return to your starting positions...
One time incident.
Jumped the gun with the dress code edict.
False start.
Please return to your starting positions...
At first, I was pleasantly surprised at how long everyone avoided talking about race. But man, once the topic was introduced, this thread has hit the gutter quickly.
Joe Edwards has a good track record of not letting any group destroy a potentially good businesses, be they yuppies, hoosiers, gang banger, or star trek fans. I feel confident that this was/ is/ will be an isolated incident. No big deal.
Joe Edwards has a good track record of not letting any group destroy a potentially good businesses, be they yuppies, hoosiers, gang banger, or star trek fans. I feel confident that this was/ is/ will be an isolated incident. No big deal.
I agree.
Popular spots attract "all" sorts of people. Early on, there are issues, specially when culture or "wealth difference" clashes.
As an entertainment venue settles down (and stays a good clean venue), these incidents will stop and it will be an integral part of DT revival.
I think this incident was just an aberration for Flamingo. Let's move on. It is a great place.
Popular spots attract "all" sorts of people. Early on, there are issues, specially when culture or "wealth difference" clashes.
As an entertainment venue settles down (and stays a good clean venue), these incidents will stop and it will be an integral part of DT revival.
I think this incident was just an aberration for Flamingo. Let's move on. It is a great place.