P. J. Walters
Clayton Mortensen?
Jess Todd?
Clayton Mortensen?
Jess Todd?
Perhaps we should attempt to retain the exceptional talent we produce, rather than emulating the ideas of other cities, as it unintentionally attracts Thomas Kinkade wannabes, and the people who think that's good art. And while I'm exaggerating , I know... the best art is coming up with an idea that is not only new and fresh, but also one that is fresh, and new. Repetition is boring. It is. It really is. I mean, our city is not creative for getting an idea from someone else. I mean, it isn't. It really isn't. Seriously.
Seriously.
I say we go with that uncreative bandwagon crap, started by Cows on Parade, and give it an edge. Instead of cows, we can paint sculptures of various types of automatic weapons and WMD's. I had another idea to paint fetuses and recently executed Missouri Prisoners, but I figured it wouldn't fly with the state.
Seriously.
I say we go with that uncreative bandwagon crap, started by Cows on Parade, and give it an edge. Instead of cows, we can paint sculptures of various types of automatic weapons and WMD's. I had another idea to paint fetuses and recently executed Missouri Prisoners, but I figured it wouldn't fly with the state.
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Xing wrote:Perhaps we should attempt to retain the exceptional talent we produce, rather than emulating the ideas of other cities, as it unintentionally attracts Thomas Kinkade wannabes, and the people who think that's good art. And while I'm exaggerating , I know... the best art is coming up with an idea that is not only new and fresh, but also one that is fresh, and new. Repetition is boring. It is. It really is. I mean, our city is not creative for getting an idea from someone else. I mean, it isn't. It really isn't. Seriously.
Seriously.
I say we go with that uncreative bandwagon crap, started by Cows on Parade, and give it an edge. Instead of cows, we can paint sculptures of various types of automatic weapons and WMD's. I had another idea to paint fetuses and recently executed Missouri Prisoners, but I figured it wouldn't fly with the state.
Pertaining to Powell Square or Chateau Landing.......This may be a bit "over the top", but what about establishment of a creative center, contracting center, and/or think tank, if you will, for aspiring artists who are on a quest to twist and transform development projects in a "Bob Cassily sort of way", striving to incorporate a wide variety of media into architecture giving St. Louis(as it develops and grows) unique characteristics that no other city consistently has. This could transform the whole city into an enormous and permanent exhibit.
I know this is pretty far out but could not get it out of my head.
Xing wrote:I say we go with that uncreative bandwagon crap, started by Cows on Parade, and give it an edge. Instead of cows, we can paint sculptures of various types of automatic weapons and WMD's. I had another idea to paint fetuses and recently executed Missouri Prisoners, but I figured it wouldn't fly with the state.
Maybe that is why I will never understand you artist types.
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pillpusher2007 wrote:
Pertaining to Powell Square or Chateau Landing.......This may be a bit "over the top", but what about establishment of a creative center, contracting center, and/or think tank, if you will, for aspiring artists who are on a quest to twist and transform development projects in a "Bob Cassily sort of way", striving to incorporate a wide variety of media into architecture giving St. Louis(as it develops and grows) unique characteristics that no other city consistently has. This could transform the whole city into an enormous and permanent exhibit.
I know this is pretty far out but could not get it out of my head.
I love the idea. That would be amazing. Any idea (yours or similar) that would create, for lack of a better term, a "progressive artistic movement" would be welcome in my book. I know I'd strive to be a part of it.
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Xing wrote:Perhaps we should attempt to retain the exceptional talent we produce, rather than emulating the ideas of other cities, as it unintentionally attracts Thomas Kinkade wannabes, and the people who think that's good art. And while I'm exaggerating , I know... the best art is coming up with an idea that is not only new and fresh, but also one that is fresh, and new. Repetition is boring. It is. It really is. I mean, our city is not creative for getting an idea from someone else. I mean, it isn't. It really isn't. Seriously.
Seriously.
I say we go with that uncreative bandwagon crap, started by Cows on Parade, and give it an edge. Instead of cows, we can paint sculptures of various types of automatic weapons and WMD's. I had another idea to paint fetuses and recently executed Missouri Prisoners, but I figured it wouldn't fly with the state.
We need you here in STL, mang.
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There is a new law. If something is just sitting there unsused and vacant anyone can lay rights to it. Powell Square is mine now. You have permission to do whatever you'd like to it and that is straight from me....the owner of Powell Square.
New renderings of a renovated Powell Square building, from Chivvis:
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Quite scaled back from the original proposal - for reference:
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Quite scaled back from the original proposal - for reference:
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This one looks a lot uglier and a lot cheaper. Looks like something from the 1970s or something.
goat314 wrote:This one looks a lot uglier and a lot cheaper. Looks like something from the 1970s or something.
Uninspired crap.
But certainly better than what we've got. Damn, that's a hard line to toe - is all development good, or should we choose stuff that really knocks our socks off?
I don't think the rendering is bad, but it's certainly not bold. It just looks like a basic rehab job, as opposed to the original funky rehab/new construction.
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Its not very impressive however I hope something happens soon.
I mean obviously I would rather have this than our current deal, but when you come out with a beautiful, modern piece of architecture and then a follow up rendering resembles a beige paper box........it just reeks of I don't give a damn or I really don't have the funds to build the better model. The first one looks like an art center. This one looks like Sam's Club on crack.
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I really think they should keep the graffiti if they're truly going for the whole urban artistic creativity thing. you see funky buildings like that all over the outer boroughs of NYC.
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I don't care how it looks I just want working artist inside (and outside).
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Yeah, a bit uninspired, but lets not forget what we have now.
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JuiceInDogtown wrote:Yeah, a bit uninspired, but lets not forget what we have now.
Unfortunately the only differences I see are a building that has windows, an ugly paint job, and bad signage.
It's definitely better than nothing and I'd be glad to see the project completed, but it falls short of it's potential. I know they're holding off on the sculpture area in back for now, so when that is finished in the future hopefully it will improve the appearance of the building.
Either way, I'll miss the graffiti.
Right now, a building with windows and filled with people will be an improvement.
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JMedwick wrote:Right now, a building with windows and filled with people will be an improvement.
Well... yeah. But would there be enough artists willing to locate themselves in a bland building to fill up the huge amounts of space the project offers? I don't know, but I personally believe it'd be much easier to fill the space if the building was a little more inspiring.
Needless to say, I'd much prefer the building be completed in any configuration than have it sit vacant. The envisioned Chouteau's Landing, including the 4th Street redevelopment, won't succeed without this project anchoring the area. Therefore, anything is better than nothing, especially in this economic climate.
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JuiceInDogtown wrote:Yeah, a bit uninspired, but lets not forget what we have now.
We need to get rid of that stupid Abortion Kills Babies sign. Makes us look like a bunch of rubes.
UrbanPioneer wrote:Well... yeah. But would there be enough artists willing to locate themselves in a bland building to fill up the huge amounts of space the project offers?
Most artists don't care what the building looks like. They just want cheap, affordable space with good light. If the building's cool, that's a bonus. If it's in an energetic neighborhood with lots of other art stuff going on, that's a bonus too. But the bottom line is price.
Frankly, I doubt that they'll be able to make it happen. Like you say, Pioneer, the project is huge. There just aren't enough artists that can afford it. I expect this thing to be reconfigured along some other line.
Er, what is the asking price, anyway?
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mvp wrote:captainjackass wrote:It wasn't until halfway through that paragraph that I figured out "Black Label" wasn't what I wanted it to be.
Black Label will be a great business to add to the downtown area. I checked it out yesterday and it looked amazing. When they open I think it will grow to be a favorite destination. Check it out before you judge it. Trust me.
Drove by this evening and it looks like they are now open. Lights were on, people were inside, balloons adorned Chouteau's Landing banners on the sidewalk. I didn't have a chance to check it out but will soon.
I wish them luck, it's tough opening a business in this economy. But at least their opening weekend should be killer with Mardi Gras and all.
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UrbanPioneer wrote:
But I'll take your idea a step further: What if Powell Square did what the 5 Pointz Artist Studios in New York City did and encourage graffiti on the building? After all, the building is already on it's way and a such, the transition would be natural. Graffiti, when done correctly, is arguably the ultimate urban art form. If the landlords followed the 5 Pointz precedent and gave out permits to paint parts of the building, local graffiti artists would have a prominent place to showcase their talent and Powell Square would cement itself as a unique landmark in the city.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_Pointz
http://queens.about.com/od/thingtodo/ss/lic_art_2.htm
An excerpt about 5 Pointz from about.com, (sounds the same as Powell Square to me):
"Not a museum or gallery, 5 Pointz is a living collage of graffiti art covering a converted warehouse full of artist studios. The art of famous and novice graffiti artists covers the building's facade, all done with the encouragement of the building's owner. It's a well-known sight from the elevated 7 subway, which runs behind 5 Pointz."
I'm sure plenty of people throughout the region will absolutely hate the idea, but who cares. Those are probably the same people who are too ignorant to realize that not all graffiti is gang related.
Was this ever sent to Chivvis (spelling?)? They seem pretty open to input.
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^ No, but that's a good idea. I'll send it to them when I get a chance.
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UrbanPioneer wrote:^ No, but that's a good idea. I'll send it to them when I get a chance.
Thanks, because that's an awesome idea.