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And the listing agent for those buildings is Andrew Murphy.

Yes and Yes with more to come!



"Thats all I have to say about that" - Forest Gump

Chouteau's Lake and Chouteau's Landing are two completely different developments. The Lake is being proposed by Greenway in order to connect Central STL with Downtown. The problem is they are planning on having the lake fed by the Mississippi river. I don't know about you all, but I was under the assumption that water cannot flow uphill?? Not to mention the spring/summer floods. Having some green space with a park-like setting would be a wonderful asset to the city.

The re-development that is going on is awesome! STL needs this to be revitalized. And since Chouteau's Landing will be stones throw away from the new Ballpark Village, one can only imagine how popular the New Landing will become.

In response to Matt ....



are you saying that those mid-rise towers on the riverfront are actually a go ... or are you just saying that people have begun torenovate buildings in Choteau's Landing?

Just that renovation has begun.

I believe that you will see more progress in the Fourth Street Disctrict after the first of the year. There is going to be a lot of activity down there soon.

In response to Jent, the Lake will use river water while not directly connected to the river, inhibiting backup flooding. It's not much different than how City drinking water comes from the river, but in the case of the Lake, the water won't require near as much treatment, since not potable water within the Lake.[/quote]

Thank you for the clarification. From what I've been hearing about the project, I feel like it's a disaster waiting to happen. Don't get me wrong, I fully support bringing life back into the city and revitalizing these beautiful old buildings, I just don't want to see more problems coming about as a result.

Does that building have a cast-iron storefront facade?



Congrats on choosing rehabing!

Bastiat wrote:I went to BB's on Broadway after Christmas and I see a lot of potential for this area now that the stadium is right next to all of these bars and not separated by a vast parking lot. Does anyone else see this becoming our version of Wrigleyville? Along with Chouteau's Landing and Chouteau's Pond, this should really connect Downtown with Soulard and the other neighborhoods.

Better than Wrigleyville, cause the team does not suck.



Actually I really like the Wrigleyville neighborhood, I don't think we will get that, this is a former residential neighborhood (as evident by the Field house) that has been mostly industrial for the last 60 years, Wrigleyville is a pretty tight nit all residential hood, more along the lines of Soulard.



That being said I think there is a lot of potential, and rumors are starting to surface about the last unoccupied buildings south of the stadium being rehabbed as bars.



The most important step to making a unique hood thought would be to get rid of the surface lots. Considering those are gold mines on game days, that could be difficult.

There's way too much crap down there right now. By crap I mean surface lots, fast food restaurants, businesses that really aren't used by the public. And knowing that there used to be the kind housing stock we're used to in STL, yet it was torn down for much of that crap...it's frustrating. We could have had something better than Wrigleyville, instead, we'll just have a few cool bars and stuff.

If enough development starts popping up in the area around Busch Stadium that could eventualy change. If property values keep going up, the urge to sell will grow. All it would take is one of those lot owners to build a garage and they could quickly change the whole area.

Parking lot owners could also subdivide just street-fronting portions of larger lots and allow infill to be built immediately along the area's streets. For example, parking could remain for now along 6th or west of 7th, but target infill along 4th, Broadway and the east side of 7th. 6th street will end up being where the revised last Missouri exit and replaced eastbound 40 exit (formerly 8th street ramp) feed. However, 4th/Broadway and 7th/8th provide better pedestrian connections from Downtown to Soulard.



South 7th has the least gas stations and fast food places (only the walk-in Eat-Rite) but it still has the physical barrier of the MacArthur bridge remnants, just north of Chouteau. Maybe Purina/Nestle could help clean this block up. The other barrier of the I-55 underpass as well as the entire South 7th streetscape will be improved by a future enhancements project. The Art of Living building and Ice House District are recent area developments.



As for 4th/Broadway, recent historic nominations just north of Chouteau on South 4th are hopefully signs of rehab and infill coming to the area.

Does anyone know if the old bar at 4th and Gratiot is being renovated? It looks like there is some kind of temporary fencing around the entrance to the building.

DeBaliviere wrote:Does anyone know if the old bar at 4th and Gratiot is being renovated? It looks like there is some kind of temporary fencing around the entrance to the building.

Is that the one that looks like a wall almost fell down? If so, I think it is being rehabbed, as evidenced by people working on it and trying to save that wall. I think the whole row of buildings by that imos there are being rehabbed, at least it looks like somethings going on.

I think I know the one you're talking about, but the one I was referring to is the one with the Bud sign on it in this pic:

People often complain about 70, but here I think 40 is just as much of a pain in the *ss and I think it creates just as much of a psychological barrier.

I always wondered if it would be possible to hang vines from the double-decker 40. Then, maybe this towering structure wouldn't create as much of a visual barrier to the near-southside from downtown.

southslider wrote:I always wondered if it would be possible to hang vines from the double-decker 40. Then, maybe this towering structure wouldn't create as much of a visual barrier to the near-southside from downtown.

I really don't think it would be a barrier with the right decoration, but I think vibrant stuff meant to catch the eyes would be better, even a sign that says, "Welcome to the near south side" or something. Use it as an entrance rather than a barrier.

Those are some good ideas, guys! With the murals, maybe northbound drivers/walkers would see a Cards mural, heading towards the stadium with southbound drivers/walkers seeing a blue mural as they head towards the B.B.'s/Broadway Oyster Bar area.