because a block-long stretch of public sidewalk and a billion-dollar stadium built for a privately-owned football team are totally comparable.gary kreie wrote:Whatever it is, we shouldn't allow it without a vote of the public if public funded sidewalks lead to it.
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It's great there's going to be some kind of announcement for Grand Center. The district is changing rapidly.
However, would Jay Nixon be coming to St. Louis just to announce a new location of a B.B. King Blues restaurant/venue?
It's great that Grand Center is adding another music/entertainment venue.
It would be awesome if a street car from downtown could help to grow and sustain the area.
However, would Jay Nixon be coming to St. Louis just to announce a new location of a B.B. King Blues restaurant/venue?
It's great that Grand Center is adding another music/entertainment venue.
It would be awesome if a street car from downtown could help to grow and sustain the area.
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My thought exactly.arch city wrote:However, would Jay Nixon be coming to St. Louis just to announce a new location of a B.B. King Blues restaurant/venue?
Does anyone know about this project?
Big Brothers and Sisters deck and bistro.
It is supposed to be finished in 2016.
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Big Brothers and Sisters deck and bistro.
It is supposed to be finished in 2016.




I dont know but it looks awesome! We need more rooftop places in #STL, the city looks completely different from a few stories or more up!
^ I know right! Can't wait until Grand Center starts to see some infill development. Will look great! I would like to see this area turn into the St. Louis version of times square, but I imagine that SLU would be a stop to it being too "flashy". More neon signs, infill, and overall foot traffic would be great. I would also like to see a movie theater, maybe AMC.
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That's pretty sweet and would be another feather in GC's cap.... hopefully we'll see more businesses and a bit of infill as things continue to move ahead and hopefully spill over into Midtown, which I think has had a bit of slow motion with its redevelopment pace.
That's awesome. I lived in Denver a lifetime ago and loved the rooftop scene there. Always wondered why we didn't have it. I'm glad its catching on and this is a great location.
I hope the information I have is deficient, however, I heard that project was pulled. Maybe those renderings represent updated information and BBBS found a way to get it completed because it would be a great addition. What is the source of the renderings?
If it is indeed shelved, this sounds like another lesson in the fragility of the architect-client-developer-contractor relationship.
If it is indeed shelved, this sounds like another lesson in the fragility of the architect-client-developer-contractor relationship.
Maybe NextSTL.com can do some digging to find out the status.
Posted on state of downtown thread. But may Gov Nixon visit also includes New Market Tax credits award. Grande Center Garage/infill seems like a good candidate going forward for St. Louis Development Corp.
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... rkets.html
St. Louis entities awarded credits:
Enterprise Financial CDE LLC: $65 million
Heartland Regional Investment Fund LLC: $30 million
MBS Urban Initiatives CDE LLC: $55 million
Midwest Industrial Redevelopment Fund LLC: $50 million
St. Louis Development Corp.: $45 million
USBCDE LLC: $55 million
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... rkets.html
St. Louis entities awarded credits:
Enterprise Financial CDE LLC: $65 million
Heartland Regional Investment Fund LLC: $30 million
MBS Urban Initiatives CDE LLC: $55 million
Midwest Industrial Redevelopment Fund LLC: $50 million
St. Louis Development Corp.: $45 million
USBCDE LLC: $55 million
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Bids were due last month on the rooftop bistro. I believe BSI was selected as contractor. I've sent out a feeler for an update.
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^ cool! I feel obligated to post it on the project list. With BBBS' nonprofit mission, perhaps the bistro could also have some kind of jobs training program for youth.
^^ I'm not positive, but I think a parking garage without a larger jobs component would run into difficulty with New Markets rules. I think a better shot would be for the commercial/retail for the Missouri Theater project. IIRC, the plan was for it to be the home for HEC and of course BB King's (can't recall if there would be other space for lease) but as good as that might be I also wouldn't rule out the speculation from some that the Lawrence Group has landed something more significant than even
^^ I'm not positive, but I think a parking garage without a larger jobs component would run into difficulty with New Markets rules. I think a better shot would be for the commercial/retail for the Missouri Theater project. IIRC, the plan was for it to be the home for HEC and of course BB King's (can't recall if there would be other space for lease) but as good as that might be I also wouldn't rule out the speculation from some that the Lawrence Group has landed something more significant than even
^ Another thought running through my head is a CORTEX related development, residential component would be a good place to park a New Market Tax credit. Heck, would Wexford first US Metal site/spec building fall within in the rules or make sense for Wexford?
Another thought, do you think the Union has another housing investment lined up for Grand Center/CWE or even within CORTEX. I know you got the two recently announced investments in Richmond Heights and the smaller investment in Jennings I believe but some recent expansion and growing SLU campus on that side of I64 as well as some hefty investment that might be forthcoming for SLU hospital sooner than later and it seems additional housing would be a safe bet for their investment dollars.
Either way you get the impression that some things are coming together in Grand Center and the politicians are lining up to take some credit. Or maybe Nixon is seeking some refuge after his latest political contribution went public... couldn't help to throw that in there
Another thought, do you think the Union has another housing investment lined up for Grand Center/CWE or even within CORTEX. I know you got the two recently announced investments in Richmond Heights and the smaller investment in Jennings I believe but some recent expansion and growing SLU campus on that side of I64 as well as some hefty investment that might be forthcoming for SLU hospital sooner than later and it seems additional housing would be a safe bet for their investment dollars.
Either way you get the impression that some things are coming together in Grand Center and the politicians are lining up to take some credit. Or maybe Nixon is seeking some refuge after his latest political contribution went public... couldn't help to throw that in there
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^ dredger, New Markets could definitely go to Wexford building out the US Metals site and that would be fantastic. But while the site could certainly contain residential, the tax credits technically would be allocated for the construction of the office and any other commercial components. A good example is the Arcade project. where the tax credits supported the Webster U portion. (I believe even two separate ownership condos were created to facilitate that project.)
Other projects that have been funded were the new HQ for Laclede Gas, Bissinger's move to the North Riverfront and an early childhood center that recently opened in Carr Square in conjunction with MBS. Interestingly, the City offered Peabody New Markets for their building upgrade but the company said they didn't need them. Anyway, those are the types of projects that likely will be supported again.
Back to the parking garage issue, they can be eligible as part of larger commercial projects for example to meet Cortex parking needs or even if a Grand Center garage had a decent amount of retail space providing jobs; I think a more technical question would be whether a stand-alone garage that was used by patrons and workers but was just filling a general district need would qualify. I suspect GC, Inc. could afford to finance the project themselves if there was demand for it and I doubt it would get selected.... but I'd all be for an announcement tying a mixed-use garage together with a major Lawrence Group announcement!
Other projects that have been funded were the new HQ for Laclede Gas, Bissinger's move to the North Riverfront and an early childhood center that recently opened in Carr Square in conjunction with MBS. Interestingly, the City offered Peabody New Markets for their building upgrade but the company said they didn't need them. Anyway, those are the types of projects that likely will be supported again.
Back to the parking garage issue, they can be eligible as part of larger commercial projects for example to meet Cortex parking needs or even if a Grand Center garage had a decent amount of retail space providing jobs; I think a more technical question would be whether a stand-alone garage that was used by patrons and workers but was just filling a general district need would qualify. I suspect GC, Inc. could afford to finance the project themselves if there was demand for it and I doubt it would get selected.... but I'd all be for an announcement tying a mixed-use garage together with a major Lawrence Group announcement!
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Isn't Grand Center Inc a non-profit? What taxes are there to credit?
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^ The credits are purchased by investors to reduce their federal tax liability. I believe non-profit projects that were selected for New Markets include the new Flance and Southside Early Childhood Centers as well as CityGarden Montessori. Again I think it would be more likely that say Lawrence Group would receive funding for the Missouri Theater project over Grand Center, Inc. for a garage, but if GCI had a good project they could qualify. (I also wouldn't be surprised if the Confluence Academy/Sun Theater and Big Brothers/Big Sisters were assisted by New Markets funding.)
I sure hope the rooftop bistro happens. I could see it becoming THE spot for artsy types to gather after openings.
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HDA Architects pulled the renderings for the rooftop bistro off their website today.
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^Were you able to capture them previously?
And the parking lot at the NE corner of Grand and Delmar is just begging for a mixed use reaidential building. I can't help but dream of the North Vandeventer project being replicated here. It would help fill out Grand.
And the parking lot at the NE corner of Grand and Delmar is just begging for a mixed use reaidential building. I can't help but dream of the North Vandeventer project being replicated here. It would help fill out Grand.
I guess we jinxed it.Presbyterian wrote:HDA Architects pulled the renderings for the rooftop bistro off their website today.
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I always like to blame archcity if there is a reasonable opportunity.
^ That's Uncle Sam's property just so you know.... I'd really like to see the Palladium get rehabbed, too, but having the VA there seems to have some potential problems for the future of the area.chaifetz10 wrote: And the parking lot at the NE corner of Grand and Delmar is just begging for a mixed use residential building. I can't help but dream of the North Vandeventer project being replicated here. It would help fill out Grand.
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That's disappointing. The only time it's used is for special events parking. The fence is literally falling apart on the back side too. It's a horrible way to end the Grand Center corridor.





