This is a very good project Kudos for GC this will add more pedestrian life to the area. I wonder how soon the II phase will start once the I phase has commenced? So is BB Kings out? If so i wouldn't mind seeing a BB Kings Downtown in the MX entertainment area either across if theres still space or what about the vacant building between N. 6th & Broadway? Not sure what the name of it is. That would give that area of Downtown i big boost specially getting an all around more Saint.Louis Blues experience. The coffee shop Bakery sounds if a possible Hortons? Dunkin? Strange?
imran wrote:I don't think there is a house to the east of the Theatre Building. Just a parking lot where the theatre used to be. Are you thinking about the red brick house that sits to the east of Powell Hall?STLEnginerd wrote:What about the little house behind the MoTheatre Building. I wouldn't want it to hold up the project but it be nice if they made provision to relocate it as they were planning for that house west of spring.
Yes, there is a very nice old house which has been renovated and occupied for years (the Stockton House). Not sure how it fits in the plans, but I sure hope it stays. Here it is:
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.639307, ... 312!8i6656
Here's more info from Historic Patina:
http://stlouispatina.com/a-richardsonia ... sterpiece/
And a Living St. Louis piece from 2007:
There appears to be an odd "notch" in the building rendering about where that house would be - though I think it would be odd to be surrounded on 3 sides with building.framer wrote:imran wrote:I don't think there is a house to the east of the Theatre Building. Just a parking lot where the theatre used to be. Are you thinking about the red brick house that sits to the east of Powell Hall?STLEnginerd wrote:What about the little house behind the MoTheatre Building. I wouldn't want it to hold up the project but it be nice if they made provision to relocate it as they were planning for that house west of spring.
Yes, there is a very nice old house which has been renovated and occupied for years (the Stockton House). Not sure how it fits in the plans, but I sure hope it stays. Here it is:
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.639307, ... 312!8i6656
Here's more info from Historic Patina:
http://stlouispatina.com/a-richardsonia ... sterpiece/
And a Living St. Louis piece from 2007:
You would think with so much surface area there would be no need for demo
My thought is how little specific information their was put out their considering they had a press conference with Gov. Nixon in the mix. It would interesting who approach who and how the office came about. No tenants named, no definitive info on the hotel and what happen to BB kings. Maybe it will be feature story in Biz Journals weekly edition,
Roger, I think you could say that this project is a prime New Market Tax credits candidate. Just wish it would be for phase II infill because Lawrence group already has the $51 million phase I renovation lined up along with a boutique hotel
Roger, I think you could say that this project is a prime New Market Tax credits candidate. Just wish it would be for phase II infill because Lawrence group already has the $51 million phase I renovation lined up along with a boutique hotel
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^ Sounds like this was the doing of the British parent of Bull Moose which met with Nixon on a trade mission; the company will not only expand but it also will co-own the Missouri Theater building. That also is a hopeful sign that New Markets will not be needed for the project. I'm not exactly sure as to exactly how the Missouri Theater came into the picture after the other side of the pond expressed its interest in a new Missouri HQ, but obviously Lawrence Group was letting it be known to econ dev. officials that it was open to something other than residential.
^I would think the whole reason Bull Moose is part of the project (and HEC and B.B. King's before them) would be specifically to get NMTC.
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^ That's certainly possible but the fact that the British company is taking co-ownership suggests that they are making a substantial investment and that the deal is much more than just the Lawrence Group trying to land an anchor tenant. (And if every such investment is dependent upon this program we really have issues!)
Circus Flora is located east/behind Powell Hall more. Not where tis garage is.
To me it looks lie the rendering is showing the garage on the inner portion of the new addition and maybe new offices/hotel rooms on the outer sides (which I like).
Hopefully BB's will be in new spot downtown near Blues Museum.
Hopefully also someone will stop this from going through because of one home.
To me it looks lie the rendering is showing the garage on the inner portion of the new addition and maybe new offices/hotel rooms on the outer sides (which I like).
Hopefully BB's will be in new spot downtown near Blues Museum.
Hopefully also someone will stop this from going through because of one home.
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^ I believe the rendering is showing the Phase II planned apartment units (was it 150?) wrapped around the garage.
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now, c'mon. that MANSION is beautiful and a significant piece of architecture. i think everything possible should be done to save it, including reworking the project if necessary. incorporate it or build around it—this type of thing is done ALL THE TIME in other cities. if it's presented as an either/or then that's bullish*t.matguy70 wrote:Hopefully also someone will stop this from going through because of one home.
To me, it looks like all the new buildings/garage will wrap around the mansion. It looks like it's in the spot with all the trees untouched and still standing in the rendering above.
Completely agree with you. It is a piece of heritage that is irreplaceable. Unfortunately the area where the house sits is not under preservation review. I think it was last year that a similar but larger limestone mansion was demolished in this area (the stone being used to create some feature at City Museum). I hope the owner stands their ground or the builders have some conscience. There is always a way to incorporate historic buildings.urban_dilettante wrote:now, c'mon. that MANSION is beautiful and a significant piece of architecture. i think everything possible should be done to save it, including reworking the project if necessary. incorporate it or build around it—this type of thing is done ALL THE TIME in other cities. if it's presented as an either/or then that's bullish*t.matguy70 wrote:Hopefully also someone will stop this from going through because of one home.
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i think you're referring to the Page Manor demolition:imran wrote:I think it was last year that a similar but larger limestone mansion was demolished in this area (the stone being used to create some feature at City Museum).
http://vanishingstl.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... ished.html
that was a stupid, stupid loss.
^ Moorlander, old post, forthcoming post? looks like a solid plan and hopefully some solid financing, maybe even NMTC
Glad to see proposals for new construction. I personally like that St. Louis seems to be on the verge of a mini mid-rise boom. I know a lot of people on this forum have a hi-rise fetish, but I would love to see mixed use buildings in the 3-6 story range fill in the gaps between Downtown and the Central West End. St. Louis has too many dead blocks and would benefit more from 1000 apartments in 4 or 5 mid-rise apartment buildings than 1 massive hi-rise with the same amount of units. I'm also anxiously waiting to see the first true TOD proposal. If I had to put money on it I would say the Delmar or FPP/DB station would be first.
Looks like we'll be losing the cute little bit of Googie architecture on Washington (Sunrise Chinese Restaurant):
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6384,-9 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6384,-9 ... 312!8i6656
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I wonder if Sunrise Chinese could be relocated to another site in GC. The building appears to sit on a slab foundation - maybe it would be cheaper/easier to move than a traditional building.framer wrote:Looks like we'll be losing the cute little bit of Googie architecture on Washington (Sunrise Chinese Restaurant):
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6384,-9 ... 312!8i6656
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^ that would be cool... maybe to a Route 66 location if not in GC. There was a segment on CBS Sunday Morning about moving buildings btw; a Frank Lloyd Wright home being relocated from a flood-prone sit in Jersey to the Crystal Bridges Museum in Arkansas was featured.... not your average job!
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It would also be cool to see it incorporated into a new structure if possible.
Quirky buildings like this and the flying saucer Starbucks really help give the area personality.
It would also be cool to see it incorporated into a new structure if possible.
Quirky buildings like this and the flying saucer Starbucks really help give the area personality.
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I may be the only person on this forum who thinks that googie building is crap. Give me urban.
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^ how is the building not urban? With infill surrounding it I think it would be a cool hang-out spot with some outdoor seating.
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not so much that its not urban. more that it is hideous. that said its in the eye of the beholder.
I can't imagine physically moving it though. architecturally it is unique but not iconic, and historically it has little to no significance. Its not worth nothing but i can't see it rising to the level of preservation justification in front of such a trans-formative project.
I can't imagine physically moving it though. architecturally it is unique but not iconic, and historically it has little to no significance. Its not worth nothing but i can't see it rising to the level of preservation justification in front of such a trans-formative project.
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That's my issue with it - it's poorly situated and there's virtually nothing around it.ImprovSTL wrote:I think it's cool but it's on a ridiculous parking island.