Graffiti/Hwy. 40

Expat · PostJun 03, 2007#1012007-06-03T17:04+00:00

Here is what people do around here:

1. Agree - (pleasant)

2. Disagree - (learn from discussion)

3. Agree to Disagree - (give & receive respect)

4. Taunt & Shout - (get nowhere fast)

bastiat · PostJun 03, 2007#1022007-06-03T17:13+00:00

Agent009 wrote:So, do people around here actually bother to read peoples posts and have conversations, or do they just assume what they want, then attack other posters who dont share their views?...

Well, obviously you aren't a good communicator if the majority of the people reading your posts come to think you are supporting something that you are not.

Do you think spray painting people's private property is justified because it is art or not? No one on this board has anything against graffiti so long as the owner has okayed it. You in you previous posts seem to support the vandalization of private property.

Graffiti can lead to a higher rate of crime if it is against the wishes of the owner. It sends a signal to everyone that property rights are not being protected in the small things, so it becomes more permisable to violate them in other ways such as theft. Malcolm Gladwell notes in his book The Tipping Point that one of the things that led to the end of the crime wave in NYC in the 1980s was that police began enforcing the smaller laws such as cracking down on graffiti artists. The vandals would sneak into the subway train yards to paint their murals all over the cars, and the authorities knowing that this was happening would wait until they finished and then white-washed the cars, much to the dismay of the "artists".

tge-atw · PostJun 04, 2007#1032007-06-04T17:27+00:00

So they ended up PAINTING over the stuff on the facade of the Roberts Orpheum. The white terra-cotta abruptly stops at the point where the "Orpheum" relief is on the south wall. There, it has been painted a kind of beige. Looks like crap. They are either going to have to paint the entire facade (boo), figure out a way to strip the new paint and the old paint (not bloody likely), or leave it as is (boo). So, the original cost estimates of a few thousand dollars don't seem to be that accurate anymore if the place is going to be returned to its pre "artistically enhanced" state.

dweebe · PostJun 04, 2007#1042007-06-04T18:04+00:00

TGE-ATW wrote:So they ended up PAINTING over the stuff on the facade of the Roberts Orpheum. The white terra-cotta abruptly stops at the point where the "Orpheum" relief is on the south wall. There, it has been painted a kind of beige. Looks like crap. They are either going to have to paint the entire facade (boo), figure out a way to strip the new paint and the old paint (not bloody likely), or leave it as is (boo). So, the original cost estimates of a few thousand dollars don't seem to be that accurate anymore if the place is going to be returned to its pre "artistically enhanced" state.

I just knew the Roberts were going to go to Home Depot, buy the cheapest exterior paint and slap it all over the marble. Everything at that place is third rate.

I hope everyone is happy now.

shinpickle · PostJun 04, 2007#1052007-06-04T18:41+00:00

rustedhinge wrote:
Agent009 wrote:I would like to add that this is just one of the many topics that people will not find common ground on, or change their minds about.

You like it and accept it, or you dont like it and want to make a difference.

to quote Expat "It if isn't your property, you shouldn't touch it."

What don't you understand, agent?

^ perhaps ed is making social commentary on the owners purgative to squander the potential of the bld --> if the "progressives" on this board can endorse eminent domain to take property from owners, because it is not being used how they would like it --> then ed has the precedent to do the same

the orpheum mgmt is a joke, its a shame the bld takes the blame, but there are less justified establishments to vandalize. the cleanup they did is as bad as the graffiti, but that's ok because they own it right?

here's a shot of the backstreet boys playing there in '05

tge-atw · PostJun 04, 2007#1062007-06-04T18:44+00:00

"its my dick in a box"

doug · PostJun 04, 2007#1072007-06-04T18:48+00:00

I started my internship at Landmarks Today. I took Metrolink and walked by. The Roberts Brothers did a rather horrible job. I liked Ed Boxxx's work, however after seeing the Roberts Brothers' solution I am angry with both.

rockintheburbstc · PostJun 04, 2007#1082007-06-04T20:36+00:00

TGE-ATW wrote:"its my d*ck in a box"

tge-atw · PostJun 04, 2007#1092007-06-04T20:49+00:00

Thank god somebody got that reference. I thought it was just going to languish there and I was going to get hung out to dry for posting a perverted non-sequitur.

Alex Ihnen · PostJun 04, 2007#1102007-06-04T21:48+00:00

^ Step 1: cut a hole in a box . . .

tge-atw · PostJun 04, 2007#1112007-06-04T21:54+00:00

Step 2: Put your junk in that box....

doug · PostJun 04, 2007#1122007-06-04T22:01+00:00

Step 3: Scream!

mcarril · PostJun 04, 2007#1132007-06-04T22:02+00:00

Step 3: Make her open that box...

Alex Ihnen · PostJun 05, 2007#1142007-06-05T01:25+00:00

[tunes] And that's the way you do it! [/tunes]

UNSK.

bastiat · PostJun 05, 2007#1152007-06-05T01:28+00:00

the cleanup they did is as bad as the graffiti, but that's ok because they own it right?

Yes. Do you have a problem grasping property rights? If a car owner gets his house egged and when he removes the egg, some of the paint peels off and looks bad, are we to blame the owner or the criminals?

shinpickle · PostJun 05, 2007#1162007-06-05T05:29+00:00

if he uses a sandblaster, then yes

stlmike · PostJun 05, 2007#1172007-06-05T05:39+00:00

Yes. Do you have a problem grasping property rights? If a car owner gets his house egged and when he removes the egg, some of the paint peels off and looks bad, are we to blame the owner or the criminals?

If that car were in an historic district, or if it had national landmark status, it actually would probably be required to be cleaned properly. I don't think the Roberts Orpheum does fall into any of these categories but maybe it should. I know that you surely think that these are both bad ideas, but that's not surprising considering you have made the case in several places for private ownership of things that are traditionally considered public property (like streets and sidewalks). I am aware of the problems and expenses that a landmark status can create for private owners but please note that I am not interested in discussing the merits of public and private ownership or historic landmarks on this forum. I am just bringing up the fact that, as far as the government we live in is concerned, these kinds of recognitions may make the difference in cleanliness requirements and general upkeep. I pray you don't use my post as a springboard to go off on a tirade for political changes to these concepts.

geli · PostJun 06, 2007#1182007-06-06T14:39+00:00

Grover wrote:[tunes] And that's the way you do it! [/tunes]

UNSK.

LMFAO :hyper:

bastiat · PostJun 06, 2007#1192007-06-06T22:36+00:00

Grover wrote:[tunes] And that's the way you do it! [/tunes]

UNSK.

I vaguely remember when SNL was actually worth watching...

wheelscomp · PostJun 07, 2007#1202007-06-07T05:28+00:00

http://www.banksy.co.uk/

I posted this on page one of the thread and I think it shows the difference between those hip-with it Europeans and we Americans. This guy is really big in England, but he also pulled some stunts in American Museums and got a much different response. i.e. Outrage, and Investigation.

So heres the thing. This is AMERICA. Not Europe. Has anyone read anything lately about teenagers in Europe? Theyre an incredible problem. Rioting and Vandalizing etc. I assure you that the ADULTS in Europe are not "tolerating" and certainly not "embracing" grafitti on public or private property. In fact, the newly elected conservative French President actually stressed controlling crime among the frech youth.

rustedhinge · PostJun 07, 2007#1212007-06-07T12:19+00:00

I just noticed that the citizens service bureau recently added a graffiti category to their website. http://stlcin.missouri.org/csb/

The category is new as I used to report problems in other csb categories. Hurray for the csb!

dweebe · PostJun 07, 2007#1222007-06-07T16:20+00:00

rustedhinge wrote:I just noticed that the citizens service bureau recently added a graffiti category to their website. http://stlcin.missouri.org/csb/

The category is new as I used to report problems in other csb categories. Hurray for the csb!

Thanks. I'll be busy with that link.

jcity · PostJun 10, 2007#1232007-06-10T19:40+00:00

I LOVE the term "youths". what does that mean exactly?

rustedhinge · PostJun 10, 2007#1242007-06-10T23:24+00:00

Boxx strikes again. Not only did Boxx hit the Jefferson Hoods facade but he also hit the two delivery trucks next to it. One of the trucks has a colored cigarette on it with paint all over it - including the glass.

Hey Boxx ------ mfinger.gif

tge-atw · PostJun 11, 2007#1252007-06-11T15:23+00:00

On Saturday night, some little pukes shot out my girlfriend's passenger side car window with a BB gun (it was parked in front of her house in TG South). When we went to move the car into her garage, we discovered that it had been tagged, and hit with some kind of lame stencil. Does anyone know where I can get a "Bite the curb mother-f---er" emoticon?

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