Gateway South/Chouteau's Landing

jtlq53 · PostNov 28, 2025#7762025-11-28T14:47+00:00

I don't think there's any conspiracy. It's really cold and homeless people had been squatting down there forever.

Trying to keep this in perspective this weekend but damn this one hurts... between the fires on the near north side and this we are really losing a lot of the physical infrastructure that showed what a manufacturing powerhouse we were. Really sucks

BarryGlick · PostNov 28, 2025#7772025-11-28T14:47+00:00

Seems like an overly large fast fire to be started by some unhorsed persons

delmar2debaliviere2downtown · PostNov 28, 2025#7782025-11-28T15:17+00:00

Even if it was unhoused people, you have a billion dollar investment brewing that you have went max public about and you haven’t even bothered to clear out your buildings of people living in them? You don’t secure your buildings? If so, you never had a plan to actually rehabilitate the buildings.

This project has been the promise for downtown and the region for a few years now and there was absolutely no movement, then the main building burns down. I’d like to see what this NY group that promised the moon has to say about this now

Chris Stritzel · PostNov 28, 2025#7792025-11-28T15:34+00:00

The fire also took out the building south of the main building. So the building cluster at 2nd and Gratiot is destroyed.

In an ideal world, the fire leads to new construction housing being built, but that’ll be a tough sell considering the promises that were made.

dbInSouthCity · PostNov 28, 2025#7802025-11-28T15:41+00:00

Idk if this is necessarily bad news for gateway south right off the bat. May give them a clean slate, but it will most likely just end up being a warehouse district

goat314 · PostNov 28, 2025#7812025-11-28T16:01+00:00

Pathetic. At this point St. Louis has lost pretty much all of its historic riverfront (North and South) besides a couple blocks at Laclede's Landing. I dont expect any thing to happen in this area for a long time and when it does, it will just be nondescript, ugly warehouses that you'd see off any highway exit. Right south of one of the greatest monuments in the world.

MOsloth22 · PostNov 28, 2025#7822025-11-28T17:04+00:00

The city better be sweeping Railway Exchange regularly.

beer city · PostNov 28, 2025#7832025-11-28T17:11+00:00

Absolute gut punch, whatever happens after this it will most likely pale in comparison. This town needs a break in the worst way.

Need to get a handle on the homeless problem this winter, this is completely out of control.

Auggie · PostNov 28, 2025#7842025-11-28T17:15+00:00

https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... artin.html

"I'm 100% committed to the long-term success of this project. I'm committed to the revitalization of that area, the city of St. Louis and this region," Millstone said. "We've laid the foundation for a very successful 2026. Today is a setback but it won't stop us."

soulardx · PostNov 28, 2025#7852025-11-28T17:55+00:00

MOsloth22 wrote: ↑
Nov 28, 2025
The city better be sweeping Railway Exchange regularly.

100%

that building is just waiting there to go up in flames.

Am I wrong to cynically compare Chouteau's Landing to The Bottle District? Both were a lot of hype and pretty renderings until the original buildings go up in flames and the land sits vacant for decades+.

Jallen26 · PostNov 28, 2025#7862025-11-28T18:18+00:00

I have been helping with this project since day one. Heartbreaking to see.

leeharveyawesome · PostNov 28, 2025#7872025-11-28T18:22+00:00

Ballpark Village Phase 9 perhaps.

jshank83 · PostNov 28, 2025#7882025-11-28T18:33+00:00

Side by the river is at least partially collapsed.

Rick Prieto · PostNov 28, 2025#7892025-11-28T18:35+00:00

If the market was there to rehab those buildings, the market should still be there to build something new that is not just warehouses. However, if it ends up being mostly warehousing, even though it would be disappointing, I would much rather have that than abandoned buildings simply because it would prevent the area from being sketchy, add tax revenue and employees.

BarryGlick · PostNov 28, 2025#7902025-11-28T18:44+00:00

Rick PrIeto AGREE!

symphonicpoet · PostNov 28, 2025#7912025-11-28T19:35+00:00

It's so visible it really needs to be a landmark. I'd rather see the land sit vacant than become a low productivity tilt-up eyesore. I believe speculators call things like fulfillment centers and storage units "ground cover," since they cover the real estate taxes until the land becomes valuable enough that they can sell it at a profit. The fact that the buildings apparently weren't secured, even after the first fire, really makes me skeptical about the developer. I've been excited about this development, but the length of time without movement, and the movement we're getting now makes it feel more and more like your typical land speculation. If they have some real commitment to the area, then they need to show it fast. We'd already lost too much to sketchy land speculators long before this. It's hard not to see comparisons to the Bottle District and even Paul McKee here. If they're not McKee they need to show us.

quincunx · PostNov 28, 2025#7922025-11-28T20:24+00:00

So sad.

You just have to assume every vacant building will burn.

framer · PostNov 28, 2025#7932025-11-28T20:47+00:00

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑
Nov 28, 2025
Idk if this is necessarily bad news for gateway south right off the bat. May give them a clean slate, but it will most likely just end up being a warehouse district

Gotta love DB's eternal optimism.

dbInSouthCity · PostNov 28, 2025#7942025-11-28T22:32+00:00

Building tilt up warehouses is far cheaper than renovating that building into offices

BarryGlick · PostNov 28, 2025#7952025-11-28T22:46+00:00

level it all and build tilt up whatever, data centers (ok maybe not data centers) fulfillment centers........
However If they have some real commitment to the area, then they need to show it fast

Auggie · PostNov 29, 2025#7962025-11-29T00:25+00:00

Idek the rationale of putting offices here as opposed to in actual downtown anyway.

STLAPTS · PostNov 29, 2025#7972025-11-29T00:37+00:00

I am sure that it is innocent but it does seem suspicious. It would be interesting to know if the had the buildings insured for replacement cost. If so, and they don't rebuild, that would be a big enough pay day to jump start the project.

seanmcelligott28 · PostNov 29, 2025#7982025-11-29T03:00+00:00

I am not sure what or if any thing can be saved. Any way if the site is leveled then I don't think the city should let warehouses be built. Instead the city should push for 25 to 30 floor multi tower residential development. With mixed used development around it.

Auggie · PostNov 29, 2025#7992025-11-29T03:49+00:00

seanmcelligott28 wrote: ↑
Nov 29, 2025
I am not sure what or if any thing can be saved. Any way if the site is leveled then I don't think the city should let warehouses be built. Instead the city should push for 25 to 30 floor multi tower residential development. With mixed used development around it.

This would be a cool thought if the region was having Indianapolis like growth and there wasn't tons of space to redeveloped in the core of downtown.

Right now, anything to get this area generating tax revenue and less blighted is what city needs, even if it's warehouses.

chris fuller · PostNov 29, 2025#8002025-11-29T05:35+00:00

Fire Destroys Crunden-Martin Complex, Raising Questions for Gateway South
https://nextstl.com/2025/11/fire-destroys-crunden-martin-complex-raising-questions-for-gateway-south/

Gateway South/Chouteau's Landing

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