so will Terry suffer any repercussions or nah?
The City slapped him a week ago and is supposed to slap him again with something now. Probably fines. There's some other things I can't talk about in public though regarding the city's and my approach to dealing with himurban_dilettante wrote: ↑Aug 24, 2020so will Terry suffer any repercussions or nah?
With a sledge hammer? Or what? What a dick bag. Is this the Dent Devil douche that owns all the properties on 4th?The current owner, Terry McDonald, was caught by my boss and I demolishing it on Sunday August 9th.
Yes. Sledgehammer and one of those rental lift things. He is the same guy as Dent Devilbwcrow1s wrote:With a sledge hammer? Or what? What a dick bag. Is this the Dent Devil douche that owns all the properties on 4th?The current owner, Terry McDonald, was caught by my boss and I demolishing it on Sunday August 9th.
AKA Triple-D? lolbwcrow1s wrote: ↑Aug 24, 2020With a sledge hammer? Or what? What a dick bag. Is this the Dent Devil douche that owns all the properties on 4th?The current owner, Terry McDonald, was caught by my boss and I demolishing it on Sunday August 9th.
I hope someone got pictures of him swinging the hammer...
All I can say is we are going to try and redevelop it by any means necessary as its crucial to the greater redevelopment of the areaurbanitas wrote:AKA Triple-D? lolbwcrow1s wrote: ↑Aug 24, 2020With a sledge hammer? Or what? What a dick bag. Is this the Dent Devil douche that owns all the properties on 4th?The current owner, Terry McDonald, was caught by my boss and I demolishing it on Sunday August 9th.
I hope someone got pictures...
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That's great to hear - I feel like that stretch is a really important connector to Soulard. Or maybe a better way to say that is, it "could" be a really important connector to Soulard. 
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^My hat is off to you for fighting for this Chris. Good luck. Thank you. Sincerely. We don't always agree, but I'm entirely on your side on this one.
Wow. A sledgehammer, just going brick by brick. That's absolutely infuriating. I don't expect anything to really happen outside of some fines, but the combo of that act and letting all the other buildings suffer is, in my estimation, pretty obvious demo by neglect. What would be the chances of some level of eminent domain to save these guys? I'm not hip to all of the laws of it. But I would think the combination of everything I just said means this guy shouldn't have stake in the future of this neighborhood.
1. We were pissed when we saw the building being demoed.bwcrow1s wrote: ↑Aug 25, 2020Wow. A sledgehammer, just going brick by brick. That's absolutely infuriating. I don't expect anything to really happen outside of some fines, but the combo of that act and letting all the other buildings suffer is, in my estimation, pretty obvious demo by neglect. What would be the chances of some level of eminent domain to save these guys? I'm not hip to all of the laws of it. But I would think the combination of everything I just said means this guy shouldn't have stake in the future of this neighborhood.
2. Expect some changes in the next few weeks. Lots going on behind the scenes with everyone.
3. Eminent Domain will not be used here at this time. We're going about this in an orderly and civil manner as to not cause more problems.
4. Terry is being kicked to the curb after this. All of his properties are for sale but there's no chance he will get the over $7 Million he wants for it 9 other properties for sale being Meineke Car Repair at 728 South 4th, 800 South 4th Parking Lot, the Game 6 Honky Tonk Buildings, and the Birdhouse bar building at 7th and Gratiot).
My great-great grandfather owned and operated a barbershop in the building at the corner of 4th and Gratiot (Game Six now) so this whole row has some extra meaning for me. Would be nice to see this Terry fellow kicked to the curb. Keep us posted Chris!
Demolition was attempted on the M.A, Bell factory that burned last December. There was not a building permit issued, so the demolition is halted. This is a Terry McDonald owned building.
Also, demolition on the last Servo Building is well underway. The bricks are being loaded up on pallets to be used elsewhere.
And finally, there was a St. Louis City SC banner placed on one of the buildings along Chouteau. It's visible from the highway.
Also, demolition on the last Servo Building is well underway. The bricks are being loaded up on pallets to be used elsewhere.
And finally, there was a St. Louis City SC banner placed on one of the buildings along Chouteau. It's visible from the highway.
So, City is just letting this guy run rampant? Like, What?
He was running rampant until he was caught. Now, he’s been pushed back on enough that he is really no problem. He let his properties go to hell, but he’s lost that one. The only demolition he should be able to watch happen freely is the demolition of M.A. Bell.bwcrow1s wrote:So, City is just letting this guy run rampant? Like, What?
^ Eff that dude. Chris, everything still in motion for those latest Chouteau Landing plans? Any changes?
Does he just want to get rid of the buildings and speculate on the land?
The latest plans are being tweaked some. There are lots of moving parts. Coronavirus also pushed it back a bit but is getting back on track now.EssTeeEll wrote:^ Eff that dude. Chris, everything still in motion for those latest Chouteau Landing plans? Any changes?
The buildings on 4th Street he wanted gone for parking. The one on Chouteau’s Landing, not really sure what he wanted to do there. That would probably be speculativequincunx wrote:Does he just want to get rid of the buildings and speculate on the land?
No reason it can't be both. As close as it is, I'm sure plenty of Cardinals fans would park there if it was a bit cheaper than the surrounding lots. Rake in the cash for several years and sell it if the area is developed. It also can't be mentioned enough that high-volume parking lots like these are perfect money laundering fronts...chriss752 wrote: ↑Sep 08, 2020The buildings on 4th Street he wanted gone for parking. The one on Chouteau’s Landing, not really sure what he wanted to do there. That would probably be speculativequincunx wrote:Does he just want to get rid of the buildings and speculate on the land?
The city really needs to take away the incentive to level lots for parking. Completely.
The site (MA Bell) is included in the sale of Chouteau’s Landing portfolio. A parking garage would be built on this site anyway in the redevelopment of the area. Cardinals game visitors could park there but not right now or until the area is cleaned up and developed moreurbanitas wrote:No reason it can't be both. As close as it is, I'm sure plenty of Cardinals fans would park there if it was a bit cheaper than the surrounding lots. Rake in the cash for several years and sell it if the area is developed. It also can't be mentioned enough that high-volume parking lots like these are perfect money laundering fronts...chriss752 wrote: ↑Sep 08, 2020The buildings on 4th Street he wanted gone for parking. The one on Chouteau’s Landing, not really sure what he wanted to do there. That would probably be speculativequincunx wrote:Does he just want to get rid of the buildings and speculate on the land?
The city really needs to take away the incentive to level lots for parking. Completely.
The City of St. Louis has boarded up 750 (aka The Garage) and back at the end of August, they did the same with 744. This is something I've been working on with some other people for a while. Terry McDonald refused to comply and work with us on securing and cleaning up his properties as well as stabilize them. So, we got the city involved using ordinances previously passed by the Board of Aldermen (nuisance and graffiti ordinances mostly). The City boarded up the properties and issued a letter to Terry McDonald stating that they were going to do that.
This means that if all goes well, there will stabilization and graffiti clean up work done soon. This buys time for us to acquire the buildings from Terry, who is refusing to work with us.
The team I work with is committed to getting these buildings re-activated and beautiful again along with new sidewalks and a welcoming backdoor. I proposed a beer garden and spots for food trucks to the team I work with and they seem to be in favor. One hurdle that we have to get over is the highway, so we will see if MODOT would be willing to work with us to put sound walls up to try and reduce the overall noise produced by the highway.
Here are some pictures from today...
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As I have said on the 754 South 4th thread, we have a building permit approved for that, but have yet to pick it up. So work should begin on that one very soon. We also have a Letter of Intent on the space in that building already, which means that we are ready to go on all fronts and just need the permit. When complete, I assure you that the building will look like new.
I must make it clear that we aren't in this to make any enemies or circumvent the full process, but we had to take the necessary steps to attempt to save these buildings and give some more hope to the neighborhood. Chouteau's Landing is a huge piece of the puzzle, but you can't do the huge section if you don't focus on the small section. So we're focused on getting the 700 Block cleaned up and activated, BP forced out, and permanent road improvements in place to slow cars down. If we can get this taken care of, the outlook on the area will be much better, and everyone knows that. Just look at how good the 900 Block looks. The sidewalks are in great shape, buildings are clean, parking lot is nicely lit with some landscaping (no pictures of that, but it's there if you walk around). It's cared for and that's what we, and other developers, are going for in this area.
This area is visible to thousands of people every say who pass by on 44 and 55 and come across on the Poplar Street Bridge. This is one of the first, if not the first, things people see of the City and we need it to change. We will change it.
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We are hopeful that a separate development team can manage to redevelop Beale on Broadway. I've seen the renderings and floor plans for that and I personally believe that the concept that's planned over there would work out well in the quest to connect Downtown to Soulard. At this point though, the building is starting to show it's age. It needs help but is not in near as bad of shape as 744.
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There's a lot of work left to do, as everyone can see, but once we get these smaller dominos to fall, the bigger ones will follow. The gaps on 4th and Broadway will fill in. Chouteau's Landing will be dealt with. And hopefully the Ice House South of Chouteau can join in with the new neighborhood.
So to end this, hopefully this will be a renewed block at the front door to Chouteau's Landing by sometime next year.
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This means that if all goes well, there will stabilization and graffiti clean up work done soon. This buys time for us to acquire the buildings from Terry, who is refusing to work with us.
The team I work with is committed to getting these buildings re-activated and beautiful again along with new sidewalks and a welcoming backdoor. I proposed a beer garden and spots for food trucks to the team I work with and they seem to be in favor. One hurdle that we have to get over is the highway, so we will see if MODOT would be willing to work with us to put sound walls up to try and reduce the overall noise produced by the highway.
Here are some pictures from today...




As I have said on the 754 South 4th thread, we have a building permit approved for that, but have yet to pick it up. So work should begin on that one very soon. We also have a Letter of Intent on the space in that building already, which means that we are ready to go on all fronts and just need the permit. When complete, I assure you that the building will look like new.
I must make it clear that we aren't in this to make any enemies or circumvent the full process, but we had to take the necessary steps to attempt to save these buildings and give some more hope to the neighborhood. Chouteau's Landing is a huge piece of the puzzle, but you can't do the huge section if you don't focus on the small section. So we're focused on getting the 700 Block cleaned up and activated, BP forced out, and permanent road improvements in place to slow cars down. If we can get this taken care of, the outlook on the area will be much better, and everyone knows that. Just look at how good the 900 Block looks. The sidewalks are in great shape, buildings are clean, parking lot is nicely lit with some landscaping (no pictures of that, but it's there if you walk around). It's cared for and that's what we, and other developers, are going for in this area.
This area is visible to thousands of people every say who pass by on 44 and 55 and come across on the Poplar Street Bridge. This is one of the first, if not the first, things people see of the City and we need it to change. We will change it.

We are hopeful that a separate development team can manage to redevelop Beale on Broadway. I've seen the renderings and floor plans for that and I personally believe that the concept that's planned over there would work out well in the quest to connect Downtown to Soulard. At this point though, the building is starting to show it's age. It needs help but is not in near as bad of shape as 744.

There's a lot of work left to do, as everyone can see, but once we get these smaller dominos to fall, the bigger ones will follow. The gaps on 4th and Broadway will fill in. Chouteau's Landing will be dealt with. And hopefully the Ice House South of Chouteau can join in with the new neighborhood.
So to end this, hopefully this will be a renewed block at the front door to Chouteau's Landing by sometime next year.




