Big neon signs like the MX Movies and Bluestein Bride's House give a city a really cool feel. A big city feel. Those antiquated laws forbidding them need to G-O out tha D-O'.
MX got a board of adjustment variance for the MX movies sign. But they had a really well thought out signage plan for the whole MX district but some other building owners in the area didn't buy in.Gateway City wrote:Big neon signs like the MX Movies and Bluestein Bride's House give a city a really cool feel. A big city feel. Those antiquated laws forbidding them need to G-O out tha D-O'.
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F-ck 'em! They should be allowed to do whatever signage they want as long as it looks good. Same with everyone else.
You don't want that, trust me. It would look like a circus. Downtown has the strictest sign code, no business without first floor presence can have a sign without a variance, that part should be relaxed a bit because getting a variance can take 5-7 weeksGateway City wrote:F-ck 'em! They should be allowed to do whatever signage they want as long as it looks good. Same with everyone else.
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That's why I said "as long as it looks good." Nothing goofy. But in pictures of St. Louis back in the day, loads of businesses had huge signs sticking off the sides of the buildings and it looked mondo cool.
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I have given up on BPV regarding development in downtown, which I think is an extremely good thing. The build up of momentum in the city is rendering BPV irrelevant, which is the best thing to ever happen to this development. Yes, it is "iconic" by virtue of its proximity to a landmark that is nationally relevant on a regular basis, but has already been rendered moot by virtue of everything else currently taking place in the city.
At this point, anything substantial happening here is merely welcome icing on the cake, to me at least.
This development will be successful BECAUSE of the success of so many and the city in general. The city will not succeed because of this development
Give us your best, Dewitts. Take a shot. You owe it to us.
At this point, anything substantial happening here is merely welcome icing on the cake, to me at least.
This development will be successful BECAUSE of the success of so many and the city in general. The city will not succeed because of this development
Give us your best, Dewitts. Take a shot. You owe it to us.
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Ballpark Village is so ate-up. It's like the Charlie Kelly of St. Louis development.
^You aren't the target market, 2020. This is a barmall that will be aimed at people that wouldn't be there without BPV. It is a win for downtown because it will bring people to the city who would otherwise be hanging out at places like St. Chuck's Main Street or Helen Fitzgerald's.
This situation is the same with the Rams.. Im just flabbergasted that there isn't one or maybe 2 residential highrise buildings here. This is probably the most premier land in all of St.Louis currently and the cardinals and cordish can only come up with whats there now. I don't want to wait till im 70 for anything to happen. I frankly have pretty much given up on this development a bit..It's the typical St.Louis mentality of St.Louis settling for less or the cheapest..
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^ While I am deeply frustrated that they haven't done more and agree that this cleared land should be among the most desirable not only in Saint Louis but in all of the Midwest, I am rather optimistic that this small ball Phase 1 will be pretty successful. Surely the Cards and Bud restaurants will do well, and if they can get the year-round events that draw well as they say then that will be a good thing and should move things forward for more ambitious future phases.
I really want this project to succeed.. I just feel i like we've been raped by so many time's by promises. Bottle district Ballpark Village Lumiere Place Chouteaus Landing and so forth
Only if i were a billionaire
Only if i were a billionaire
The yawn inducing 1st phase will be a hit with suburbanites. We will likely see phase II announcements shortly after the 1st season.roger wyoming II wrote:^ While I am deeply frustrated that they haven't done more and agree that this cleared land should be among the most desirable not only in Saint Louis but in all of the Midwest, I am rather optimistic that this small ball Phase 1 will be pretty successful. Surely the Cards and Bud restaurants will do well, and if they can get the year-round events that draw well as they say then that will be a good thing and should move things forward for more ambitious future phases.
It seems that every owner wants to capitalize on development surrounding their stadiums. Yeah, I know that Kroenke doesn't own the current stadium but that doesn't mean he won't in the future. Everyone touts Patriot Place as the best example of this type of land development but could something like that be produced in St. Louis?
Rams fans may have it better as there's unique, organic development near the dome. As for the Cardinals, there's not enough demand to sustain the scale of Patriot Place. This area likely can't support two super-developments, though, and perhaps that provides Kroenke incentive to leave downtown?
I feel that proud city residents would prefer to see establishments with more character as opposed to the same old schtick that pulls in the masses. But hey, the attractions in BPV were never intended for us. It's for the visitors who'll likely enjoy it.
And maybe it'll help them stick around downtown a bit longer to explore more of downtown and the city's unique character. Maybe this little nudge could improve perceptions of the city.
Who knows, maybe we'll eventually see some inspired (mixed-use) buildings geared toward residential, office space, and expanded retail, restaurants, or other services.
The above is my ode to each and every BPV hater.
Rams fans may have it better as there's unique, organic development near the dome. As for the Cardinals, there's not enough demand to sustain the scale of Patriot Place. This area likely can't support two super-developments, though, and perhaps that provides Kroenke incentive to leave downtown?
I feel that proud city residents would prefer to see establishments with more character as opposed to the same old schtick that pulls in the masses. But hey, the attractions in BPV were never intended for us. It's for the visitors who'll likely enjoy it.
And maybe it'll help them stick around downtown a bit longer to explore more of downtown and the city's unique character. Maybe this little nudge could improve perceptions of the city.
Who knows, maybe we'll eventually see some inspired (mixed-use) buildings geared toward residential, office space, and expanded retail, restaurants, or other services.
The above is my ode to each and every BPV hater.
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goat314 wrote: The yawn inducing 1st phase will be a hit with suburbanites. We will likely see phase II announcements shortly after the 1st season.
phase one is kind of like getting on base by being hit by the pitcher... pretty painful. hopefully the guy on deck can drive him home.
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It definitely needs a large corporate tenant as a good anchor. Too bad Centene didn't work out. If they could get something like Apex Oil, that wouldn't be bad either.
Ballpark Village will have some awesome views. I love the view of the old Merchants Bridge in the background.
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Has anyone heard if the Cards plan on airing away games on an outdoor big screen at BPV? If the answer is yes, will this be a regular occurance (all 81 games)?
Based on the renderings it looks like the mini-replica field to the west of the building will have an outdoor big-screen. Hopefully they show away games and other local sporting events.
Great pic. The team must have retained some of the old seats from Busch II. In this or future phases it would be cool if they installed a usable section from Busch II as a functional nod to the space. In my head these could be included on a separate deck with a few replica "arches" as a fixed awning.
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I was down there yesterday and I have to say that the Clark St. frontage is pretty inviting but the rest just looks cheap. Hopefully they'll build Phase II soon just to cover the ugly aesthetic.
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Another tenant announced:
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/blog ... lpark.htmlTengo Sed will be located on the first floor of Ballpark Village and won’t necessarily have its own seating. It’s a fast-serve counter that will serve tacos and margaritas. Patrons will be able to go up to the Tengo Sed counter, order food and sit in the bar area carved out in the middle of the entertainment venue, which includes two other bars and the largest indoor and non-stadium TV made by Daktronics in the Midwest.
Tengo Sed is located at other Baltimore-based Cordish Cos. developments including Kansas City and Louisville.
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