^ Hard costs like building the actual structure and tenant finishes I would put this project at $45-50m, the other $25m is nonsense. And for the finally $25m for make it add to the $100m, simply doesn't exist unless as you say they count the salary of Waino and another player
The amount of money the Cardinals will make off parking will pale in comparison to money they'll make off of buildings when the market exists for them. It may be a disincentive to take a major risk on spec building, but isn't it pretty clear that they weren't going to take that risk anyways?
There are many valid complaints about the progress of BPV. And one of them is that we're nearly 10 years in and the majority of the land is a parking lot. But if we accept where things were at the time they paved the parking lot, then the complaint is pretty silly in my opinion.
There are many valid complaints about the progress of BPV. And one of them is that we're nearly 10 years in and the majority of the land is a parking lot. But if we accept where things were at the time they paved the parking lot, then the complaint is pretty silly in my opinion.
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I feel like once the other proposed residential developments Downtown near completion, a BPV tower will start going up. Before we get much new high-rise infill Downtown, we have to fill up the vacant buildings we already have. How are they going to build a 200 ft. tall tower when something as massive as the Arcade sits vacant just a few blocks away? I do believe a BPV apartment tower and Drury Tower will propose official plans within two years, maximum. Construction should begin soon after. I also think Downtown will land a good-sized company that will bring hundreds, if not over 1,000 people Downtown. Whether they're in AT&T Tower or some new tower in BPV is hard to say. Hopefully both. It would be nice to get two large companies and maybe another school the size of SLU Law in the neighborhood to help anchor the new residents.
^Unfortunately the Cardinals will by then be playing in Build-A-Bear Stadium in Town and Country, the St. Louis Electronica will still be chasing an elusive Stanley Cup in the St. Charles Family Arena, and Tastes of Warrenton will be slowly gaining momentum as Chesterfield parking got ridiculous after a year or two. Rams lease in the City of Angels has expired and "Judicious Josh" implores a nervous LA fan base to "see how the process plays out."
Ballpark Village is teasing a big announcement or something on Twitter. Not sure off-hand what it would be.
I'm sure it will be underwhelming to our crowd, but maybe it'll be interesting news.
I'm sure it will be underwhelming to our crowd, but maybe it'll be interesting news.
Following "stay tuned" they link to their Facebook page here: https://www.facebook.com/STLBallParkVillageBallpark Village STL @BPVSTL
Without giving anything away, let's just say tomorrow is going to be a BIG day for Ballpark Village! Stay tuned...
The optimist in me is hoping it's the announcement of phase II. The realist in me says its going to have something to do with A) the newly installed signage, B) all of the restaurant/entertainment spaces are full C) something about that baseball field to the side of the venue.
My dream is that they have gotten commitments for either a big office tenant, a major new hotel, or residential tower to break ground by the end of the year. I would even settle for renderings of a potential phase II.
My dream is that they have gotten commitments for either a big office tenant, a major new hotel, or residential tower to break ground by the end of the year. I would even settle for renderings of a potential phase II.
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I would love a residential tower, be even moreso I would love an office tower. DT's residential market is strong and growing already. There are loads of apartments under construction or proposed. Instead of yet another one, I think offices would be best. Brings more jobs DT which, in turn, will only drive the demand for residential even more.
However, if it is one of those two things at all, it will probably be the former. A residential tower will probably go up before an office tower.
However, if it is one of those two things at all, it will probably be the former. A residential tower will probably go up before an office tower.
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"Hooters to open second downtown location at Ballpark Village, giant pair of neon boobs to adorn roof" !!!
We had this discussion before, but I do believe a BPV residential tower brings in a different demographic than the current rehabs, or even potential other residential towers.
I think it would really attract some wealthy white collar professionals of various age ranges. And the ones who aren't retirement age (who would also come) are exactly the sort downtown needs to attract in order to get more jobs back downtown.
It wouldn't just be that the residences would likely be luxury, but there is something about the Cardinals that I genuinely believe would attract people who otherwise wouldn't think of it, even if there's no logical reason that should happen.
I think it would really attract some wealthy white collar professionals of various age ranges. And the ones who aren't retirement age (who would also come) are exactly the sort downtown needs to attract in order to get more jobs back downtown.
It wouldn't just be that the residences would likely be luxury, but there is something about the Cardinals that I genuinely believe would attract people who otherwise wouldn't think of it, even if there's no logical reason that should happen.
I just listened to an interview with Cardinals President Bill DeWitt III from CBS 920 AM this morning. DeWitt III mentioned that they have some tenants to be announced yet and they have some sort of "opening" announcements (I read events/grand openings), but he didn't tease anything major. Now that was from sometime this morning, while the tweet came at about 4 PM.
So my guess is the announcement isn't all that big at all. But we'll see.
So my guess is the announcement isn't all that big at all. But we'll see.
I'm calling it right now: they're announcing the date tickets will go on sale for the bleachers on top of the "Cardinals Nation" restaurant
^That is a really good guess.
What's the over/under for parking in BPV on game day? $20? $25?
What's the over/under for parking in BPV on game day? $20? $25?
You can get $5 parking and $10 parking in plenty of locations just a short walk from the park. Very little reason to pay for parking at BPV unless money is no object to you or someone in your party needs their walking distance minimized.
And that's not me ripping on the parking lot, just a reality of the situation.
And that's not me ripping on the parking lot, just a reality of the situation.
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The announcement is about further expanding the parking lot! Just joking 
It was indeed the announcement for the grand opening events over about a week and a half starting March 27. Which I suppose is fair for them to have teased even if it doesn't get us excited here.
http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/news/a ... l&c_id=stl
http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/news/a ... l&c_id=stl
Ballpark Village Grand Opening Events Schedule
Thursday, March 27th
5 PM - Opening Ceremony
6 PM - Private VIP Party
9 PM - FREE Concert by National Recording Artist Third Eye Blind on the FOX Sports Midwest Live! Stage
Friday, March 28th
11 AM - Open for Lunch: Cardinals Nation, FOX Sports Midwest Live!, Budweiser Brew House & Drunken Fish
5-7 PM - Founders VIP Event honoring the Construction Workers
Saturday, March 29th
6-8:30 PM - Cardinals Nation Restaurant Grand Opening Ceremony & Private Party
7 PM - St. Louis Blues Hockey Watch Party in FOX Sports Midwest Live!
8:30 - 10 PM - Budweiser Brew House Grand Opening
8:30 PM - Fireworks Display over Busch Stadium
Sunday, March 30th
11 AM-5 PM - Ballpark Village Family Fun Event
9PM-1AM - Red Bull Hospitality Party
Monday, March 31st
11 AM - FOX Sports Midwest Live! Grand Opening
3:10 PM - Cardinals Season Opener Watch Party at FOX Sports Midwest Live!
Thursday, April 3rd
6 PM - Throwback Thursday Debut at FOX Sports Midwest Live!
Friday, April 4th
5-7 PM - Inaugural Fridays on Clark featuring Dr. Zhivegas
9 PM - PBR St. Louis - A Cowboy Bar Grand Opening Party
9 PM - The Barn at PBR St. Louis Grand Opening Party
Monday, April 7th - Opening Day in St. Louis
10 AM - Cardinals Nation Museum & Hall of Fame Grand Opening
Noon - Opening Day Rally on Busch II Infield & Ballpark Village Lot
Ballpark FoodCourt:
Budweiser Brew House (#BudBrewHouse)
PBR St. Louis - A Cowboy Bar (#PBRSTL)
The Barn at PBR (#STLBarn)
Howl at the Moon (#HowlatSTLBPV)
Drunken Fish (#DrunkenFishatSTLBPV)
Tengo Sed & Tengo Hambre (#TengoSTLBPV)
Ted Drewes (#EatTedDrewesatBPV)
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Budweiser Brew House (#BudBrewHouse)
PBR St. Louis - A Cowboy Bar (#PBRSTL)
The Barn at PBR (#STLBarn)
Howl at the Moon (#HowlatSTLBPV)
Drunken Fish (#DrunkenFishatSTLBPV)
Tengo Sed & Tengo Hambre (#TengoSTLBPV)
Ted Drewes (#EatTedDrewesatBPV)
-RBB
From images I've seen here and there, it doesn't look like the absolute best design, but I think it will work. I love how it interacts with the stadium at that spot. It will probably look much better once the other phases come along.
Speaking of which, when are later phases of this project supposed to begin, or is is sometime in the distant future? They are just now talking about the towers in the P&L in KC for example, and that has been many years. A few towers on the west end would be spectacular.
Speaking of which, when are later phases of this project supposed to begin, or is is sometime in the distant future? They are just now talking about the towers in the P&L in KC for example, and that has been many years. A few towers on the west end would be spectacular.
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They should add a Nascar component.rbb wrote:Ballpark FoodCourt:
Budweiser Brew House (#BudBrewHouse)
PBR St. Louis - A Cowboy Bar (#PBRSTL)
The Barn at PBR (#STLBarn)
Howl at the Moon (#HowlatSTLBPV)
Drunken Fish (#DrunkenFishatSTLBPV)
Tengo Sed & Tengo Hambre (#TengoSTLBPV)
Ted Drewes (#EatTedDrewesatBPV)
-RBB
And some place to go line dancing.
Meh. Why shouldn't they appeal to a very real demographic within their fan base with one tenant.
I know none of the tenants are super exciting, but they work. And only one of them is a cowboy bar.
There's legitimate consternation over what Ballpark Village isn't, and then there's some that just seems complaining for the sake of complaining.
Heck, you could argue these tenants—PBR especially—will target a demographic that otherwise wouldn't be serviced downtown.
I know none of the tenants are super exciting, but they work. And only one of them is a cowboy bar.
There's legitimate consternation over what Ballpark Village isn't, and then there's some that just seems complaining for the sake of complaining.
Heck, you could argue these tenants—PBR especially—will target a demographic that otherwise wouldn't be serviced downtown.
^ There are a lot of huge Cardinals fans in outlying areas of Missouri and Illinois, to whom these tenants will really appeal. Every town needs something like this to please the tourists. San Francisco has Fisherman's Wharf for example. I think this will be a big draw to rural residents coming in for games
It astounds me that they haven't attracted a single non-restaurant retailer. It's truly a single-use operation. RBB nailed it: "Ballpark FoodCourt".
Totally agree. This will be a a good thing for downtown. We need to fill out the rest of the area with other elements, but this one will serve it's purpose very well.Eastward wrote:^ There are a lot of huge Cardinals fans in outlying areas of Missouri and Illinois, to whom these tenants will really appeal. Every town needs something like this to please the tourists. San Francisco has Fisherman's Wharf for example. I think this will be a big draw to rural residents coming in for games
While they indeed haven't attracted any other kind of retail, it's not true at all that it's strictly a food court.wabash wrote:It astounds me that they haven't attracted a single non-restaurant retailer. It's truly a single-use operation. RBB nailed it: "Ballpark FoodCourt".
It's a live event space, it has the Cardinals Hall of Fame, a Cardinals store, and the new FSM digs.
I personally didn't expect anything other than those things, restaurants, and bars in this phase.