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This is already halfway up.

They weren't kidding about the speed of it going up, sheesh

^ The Everly is starting to look very big. Or perhaps everything else on the Loop is just very small.

Thanks for pics,

Can't help but think with the loop trolley tracks in front that extending them to downtown Clayton & forthcoming jobs would be a huge win for more Loop development while offering another alternative non auto transportation option for Clayton CBD work force. Even if you cut down south and over on Forsyth Ave. Maybe the city one day will wake up and look at it the other way and do the opposite and extends tracks to the jobs in CWE/Cortex.

dredger wrote:Thanks for pics,

Can't help but think with the loop trolley tracks in front that extending them to downtown Clayton & forthcoming jobs would be a huge win for more Loop development while offering another alternative non auto transportation option for Clayton CBD work force. Even if you cut down south and over on Forsyth Ave. Maybe the city one day will wake up and look at it the other way and do the opposite and extends tracks to the jobs in CWE/Cortex.

Not sure I understand the utility of having the trolley duplicate the Metrolink system already in place.

hiddeninput wrote:

dredger wrote:Thanks for pics,

Can't help but think with the loop trolley tracks in front that extending them to downtown Clayton & forthcoming jobs would be a huge win for more Loop development while offering another alternative non auto transportation option for Clayton CBD work force. Even if you cut down south and over on Forsyth Ave. Maybe the city one day will wake up and look at it the other way and do the opposite and extends tracks to the jobs in CWE/Cortex.

Not sure I understand the utility of having the trolley duplicate the Metrolink system already in place.

I agree, the focus should be North and South routes at this point. Central Corridor well served by transit at this point. We have a good spine. A N-S fixed rail transit line, whether it be Metrolink or streetcar, should be a focus of city leaders.

^ I agree that N/S should be the priority, but I don't think we have good CC transit in the city... better than nothing but quite far from ideal. My wish would be for stakeholders to continue to pursue Saint Louis Streetcar with a KC self-funding model. Pulling that off would pay off with a huge dividend for the city and I believe advance prospects for N/S rather than harm them.

goat314 wrote:

hiddeninput wrote:

dredger wrote:Thanks for pics,

Can't help but think with the loop trolley tracks in front that extending them to downtown Clayton & forthcoming jobs would be a huge win for more Loop development while offering another alternative non auto transportation option for Clayton CBD work force. Even if you cut down south and over on Forsyth Ave. Maybe the city one day will wake up and look at it the other way and do the opposite and extends tracks to the jobs in CWE/Cortex.

Not sure I understand the utility of having the trolley duplicate the Metrolink system already in place.

I agree, the focus should be North and South routes at this point. Central Corridor well served by transit at this point. We have a good spine. A N-S fixed rail transit line, whether it be Metrolink or streetcar, should be a focus of city leaders.

I don't see why both can't happen? The trolley is a streetcar for all intents and purposed and should support further corridor residential and commercial infill development at a cost of roughly $15-20 million per mile at roughly three miles. Its doable in my mind. In the meantime, I really don't see more development happening extending past the current alignment with people having to walk or bus so they can get on loop trolley to take it to the Forest Park metrolnk to get off at Forsyth. I think Clayton/University City and or City need to seriously look on how you can extend the loop trolley to either Clayton CBD and or CWE/Barnes Jewish job centers. Otherwise, if loop trolley is going to strictly support loop businesses and entertainment then Joe should get the support to at least extend it to the zoo where you got x patrons who might entertain the trolley for lunch/dinner/lodging options.

I agree on the N-S focus and think the city is really should be pushing a streetcar to connect near south and north side if NGIA going in whether it be Jeff Ave alignment or the beginnings of a bigger N-S. At a minimum the city really should figure out how to take Grand Ave transit to the next level whether it be BRT or streetcar. I think that will do more for Grand/Midtown/SLU and the blighted area then a stadium ever will.

My main argument against extending the trolley from Clayton to the CWE is that I don't think anyone would actually use it. Building trolley systems around metrolink stops to serve those neighborhoods seems reasonable. But building the interconnections doesn't seem to serve any purpose as I don't know many commuters who would want very slow service to their destinations.

goat314 wrote:Central Corridor well served by transit at this point.

I disagree. The 10 and 97 don't run often enough.

Will try to bring this around back to Everly on the Loop since I started the thread on a different path. I guess my argument at end of day was in terms of more infill and mixed use development will happen with fixed transit as you see in front of the Everly. I see a reasonable opportunity with a fixed transit system actually being built and in operation in the near future to extend it and the development that tends to follow it towards a jobs center.

I can see the argument why a Clayton CBD might not be the better option. However, a $40 million dollar investment by extending loop trolley to the east and dropping down south into CWE to me could be beneficial in rebuilding and strengthening the neighborhoods along the divide. Probably won't see 14 stories like the Everly lining the street but a fair share of 3-5 story in fills & developments might make the investment worth it.

Doesn't this already exist? The #2 bus?

StudLife - Luxury student apartment building set to open in August

... a shuttle that runs to and from the Danforth Campus.

http://www.studlife.com/news/facilities ... in-august/

A bit hard to make out through the sweetgum tree, but once this building tops out (2 more floors to go) you'll be able to see it from many a Skinker-Debaliviere third floor window, peaking above the roof-line:

imran wrote: ↑

Jan 16, 2017

At the risk of sounding ungrateful, I would almost rather have had 3 four-story buildings filling out the gaps around the metrolink station.

I have a feeling we will be seeing a lot of four story buildings pop up along Delmar in the next few years.

Update

I'm just now realizing how tall this will be.


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I really can't wait to see some views from the top of this towards downtown. Going to be great

This building looks massive from Art HIll.

^Awesome. I've always thought the Art Hill views toward Delmar and DeBaliviere could use some skyline expansion.