No doubt people are going to need and want parking near a bike store. I think the issue is whether there's truly a lack of parking convenient to that location to the extent that it would materially hinder business.
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Good callkbshapiro wrote:Big Shark is moving to the old Hi Fi Fo Fum redev site on Big Bend from what I've been told. Great site for them
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Awesome - I've always liked that building. Perfectly weird/unique for a bike shop.
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Wouldn't you just use a bike shop in/near TGS? In my mind, a less auto-centric culture goes hand-in-hand with shopping locally.jstriebel wrote:Sure. That's a very transit oriented part of town. And yet, let's also be realistic.downtown2007 wrote:Metrolink is right behind the store.
I live in Tower Grove South. In a bind, I could navigate the Metro system (buses and trains) and be home in probably an hour.
Or I could hop back in my truck and be home in 15.
I'd like to see it get harder to drive places, but I don't think that's a switch we can just turn off. Especially when the frequency and reach of our transit system is so mediocre.
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^There's a bikeshop at Arsenal and Morganford that's perfectly suitable, but I think his point is that the thirty minutes spent catching the grand bus to the train and then ending up at Delmar or Skinker and then walking to his destination is still a lot slower than driving or biking the same distance. There's also the dreadful sense that to get home you'll have to sit through an equally long sojourn. Even people like me that use buses and trains daily will still drive to the loop sometimes because it's so much easier. We need higher frequency, longer service, and alternative routes before that becomes less daunting.
The transit-connected nature of the Loop is probably more useful to students with metro passes for now. The Loop is a shared space between UMSL and WUSTL students. The UMSL residence halls naturally overflow to the Loop for lack of anything on Natural Bridge. UMSL faculty and students fill up the buildings that aren't exclusive to WUSTL. Cheap apartments in that area will certainly sell and add foot traffic for the eventual push of retail over the Wabash bridge at Des Peres. The Delmar station is the UMSL connection, and this development is going to strengthen that relationship.
The transit-connected nature of the Loop is probably more useful to students with metro passes for now. The Loop is a shared space between UMSL and WUSTL students. The UMSL residence halls naturally overflow to the Loop for lack of anything on Natural Bridge. UMSL faculty and students fill up the buildings that aren't exclusive to WUSTL. Cheap apartments in that area will certainly sell and add foot traffic for the eventual push of retail over the Wabash bridge at Des Peres. The Delmar station is the UMSL connection, and this development is going to strengthen that relationship.
Yes, actually. Now that I'm familiar with the area, I'd go to A&M just around the corner (kind of). Or I assume I would (I don't actually know what all their offerings are).MarkHaversham wrote:Wouldn't you just use a bike shop in/near TGS? In my mind, a less auto-centric culture goes hand-in-hand with shopping locally.jstriebel wrote:Sure. That's a very transit oriented part of town. And yet, let's also be realistic.downtown2007 wrote:Metrolink is right behind the store.
I live in Tower Grove South. In a bind, I could navigate the Metro system (buses and trains) and be home in probably an hour.
Or I could hop back in my truck and be home in 15.
I'd like to see it get harder to drive places, but I don't think that's a switch we can just turn off. Especially when the frequency and reach of our transit system is so mediocre.
At the time that I used Big Shark, I actually lived in St. Louis Hills, though, and was just looking for someone reputable.
The thing about fighting our auto-centric culture is that we're so far gone one way, we can't just up and do it in every aspect without severely inconveniencing ourselves. We've got to pick and choose our battles on that front.
For example, after a couple weeks worth of trying, I chose not to quadruple my commute to work and give myself only 2 options of what time I could leave. I'd have loved to, but we don't really have the right options for that to be reasonable.
Similarly, we don't always have enough local business options to all choose the non-auto centric one. I try to support Local Harvest and Gustine Market, and hey, even 7-Eleven on occasion. But it's not reasonable to do all my shopping there, so I still drive to Schnuck's most of the time.
I've gone off on a tangent now, but all I'm really saying is that as much as I support non-auto decisions, we have to accept that they do need to be a consideration for development decisions in St. Louis for the time being. Hopefully we can lessen that gradually.
Seems the two-story part of the new location is a goner
http://nextstl.com/2016/02/big-shark-to ... d-heights/
http://nextstl.com/2016/02/big-shark-to ... d-heights/
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Add Jay's and City Green in the Grove to that list if they're close to your routines, and there's really not much more you need from Schnucks. There's a bakery on Tower Grove Avenue now too that sells real bread (Schnucks only sells old companion). At least, somehow that has worked for us. We go to big boxes less than once a month.jstriebel wrote: Similarly, we don't always have enough local business options to all choose the non-auto centric one. I try to support Local Harvest and Gustine Market, and hey, even 7-Eleven on occasion. But it's not reasonable to do all my shopping there, so I still drive to Schnuck's most of the time.
I've gone off on a tangent now, but all I'm really saying is that as much as I support non-auto decisions, we have to accept that they do need to be a consideration for development decisions in St. Louis for the time being. Hopefully we can lessen that gradually.
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That's very disappointing.quincunx wrote:Seems the two-story part of the new location is a goner
http://nextstl.com/2016/02/big-shark-to ... d-heights/
Schnucks would actually be more reasonable to walk to for me than those. And to be clear, it's not just about selection. Price matters too. Supporting local business is awesome, but I can only sacrifice my own budget so much to do so.CarexCurator wrote:Add Jay's and City Green in the Grove to that list if they're close to your routines, and there's really not much more you need from Schnucks. There's a bakery on Tower Grove Avenue now too that sells real bread (Schnucks only sells old companion). At least, somehow that has worked for us. We go to big boxes less than once a month.jstriebel wrote: Similarly, we don't always have enough local business options to all choose the non-auto centric one. I try to support Local Harvest and Gustine Market, and hey, even 7-Eleven on occasion. But it's not reasonable to do all my shopping there, so I still drive to Schnuck's most of the time.
I've gone off on a tangent now, but all I'm really saying is that as much as I support non-auto decisions, we have to accept that they do need to be a consideration for development decisions in St. Louis for the time being. Hopefully we can lessen that gradually.
Again, it's not that it'd be impossible to hit up only local businesses and not use a car. It's just not all that reasonable here. Not yet.
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"The Delmar Room" is now official... good-bye bikes, hello mics!
http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/m ... ae766.html
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“This is going to be very meaningful to bands around the country and to music fans in St. Louis,” Edwards said of Delmar Hall. “To have this medium-size venue is really important.”
http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/m ... ae766.html
“This is going to be very meaningful to bands around the country and to music fans in St. Louis,” Edwards said of Delmar Hall. “To have this medium-size venue is really important.”
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^ ah, I was thinking that bit to the east was part of the tower retail.
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Is the plan purposefully retro or is that somebody's conception of a sleek contemporary urban space?
There's still going to be a parking lot there. That leaves room for the two venues together to figure out a way to shelter people who are standing in line for hours waiting on shows.
There's still going to be a parking lot there. That leaves room for the two venues together to figure out a way to shelter people who are standing in line for hours waiting on shows.
CarexCurator wrote:Is the plan purposefully retro or is that somebody's conception of a sleek contemporary urban space?
There's still going to be a parking lot there. That leaves room for the two venues together to figure out a way to shelter people who are standing in line for hours waiting on shows.
I'm not the best on my architecture eras, but it look very mid-century. I think that's probably a solid choice, though. The current structure isn't necessarily mid-century, but this addition should blend pretty seamlessly with it.
It's strange that they made the announcement and forgot to include the venue's official logo in the rendering:
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Apparently a contingent of Skinker-DeBaliviere NIMBYs are opposing the proposed high-rise on Delmar, and plan to raise hell at the upcoming Board of Adjustment meeting, citing all kinds of frivolous arguments on why a variance should not be approved (too tall, increased traffic, etc). The meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, February 24 at 1:30pm in Room 208 at City Hall. We need some sane urban-minded people to show up in force to defend the project, so please make it if you can! If you can't make it to the hearing, please email or call to express your support for the proposal:
Re: Clayco #10747 appeal of earlier zoning permit denial for 6105-23 Delmar Blvd. by email to the Board’s secretary, Sandy Long (622-3666) at longs@stlouis-mo.gov addressed to
Joe Klitzing, Chairman, Board of Adjustment
or by U.S. mail to
Joe Klitzing, Chairman,
Board of Adjustment
City Hall, Room 400
1200 Market Street
St. Louis, MO 63103
Re: Clayco #10747 appeal of earlier zoning permit denial for 6105-23 Delmar Blvd. by email to the Board’s secretary, Sandy Long (622-3666) at longs@stlouis-mo.gov addressed to
Joe Klitzing, Chairman, Board of Adjustment
or by U.S. mail to
Joe Klitzing, Chairman,
Board of Adjustment
City Hall, Room 400
1200 Market Street
St. Louis, MO 63103
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What could possibly be the complaint? Are they worried about the Loop having more foot traffic and more retail? Is it the music venue?
The music venue is in the Big Shark building, not the 14-story Clayco building.
My guess, the majority of people against it for traffic reasons likely live West of Rosedale, so their only way out of the neighborhood is Skinker (which does get pretty bad traffic). Open up Rosedale and Des Peres so traffic can easily access Delmar or Forest Park Pkwy, I bet you relieve a lot of traffic problems for those folks.
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I suspect the same people who are opposed to thenurban density are also opposed to opening the streets back up. That's my hunch, anyway.
I just emailed my letter.stlgasm wrote:The meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, February 24 at 1:30pm in Room 208 at City Hall. We need some sane urban-minded people to show up in force to defend the project, so please make it if you can! If you can't make it to the hearing, please email or call to express your support for the proposal:
Re: Clayco #10747 appeal of earlier zoning permit denial for 6105-23 Delmar Blvd. by email to the Board’s secretary, Sandy Long (622-3666) at longs@stlouis-mo.gov addressed to
Joe Klitzing, Chairman, Board of Adjustment
or by U.S. mail to
Joe Klitzing, Chairman,
Board of Adjustment
City Hall, Room 400
1200 Market Street
St. Louis, MO 63103
Church letter head ... just in case.
I don't see how Skinker-D people should have any say in this. They've already cut themselves off from everything to the north of them, so how are they even effected? Heck, this time they can't even pull the old "shadows in my yard" routine. They chose to hide their collective heads in their shell, so let them stay there, while the rest of the City moves on.