^ Sometimes you just have to ask and then you'll receive!
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I can't find it on TWTR...and if true, those of you who so quickly ridiculed Novelly's Clayton design last week what you say about this garbage circa 1973 Wichita?
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Paul's post says this: "New 13 story apartment tower w/retail proposed east of @PageantSTL, Big Shark moving, bldg to be concert venue!"
Great minds think alike. I almost typed "early 80's Des Moines".sirshankalot wrote:I can't find it on TWTR...and if true, those of you who so quickly ridiculed Novelly's Clayton design last week what you say about this garbage circa 1973 Wichita?
Then again it should match the Moonrise Hotel very nicely.
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^Then I saw it is apartments which makes it even worse. I bet the anti-Clayton crowd won't make much of a snark though since it's in the city.
Doesn't look bad too me. I'm also sure that the proposal will be refined, so the final product may look a lot different. So do you guys think this qualifies as TOD.
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^ I think you'd have to take a look at how many parking spaces are allocated for the project for its todiness; but it certainly will be transit convenient.
also, fwiw, I see there has been a permit issued in late Sept. for an 8' aluminum fence around what I assume is the planned site. (the vacant lot next to Big Shark.)
also, fwiw, I see there has been a permit issued in late Sept. for an 8' aluminum fence around what I assume is the planned site. (the vacant lot next to Big Shark.)
Some info from next stl
http://nextstl.com/2015/11/developing-c ... east-loop/
http://nextstl.com/2015/11/developing-c ... east-loop/
Yeah, this would be TOD. Even if it incorporates substantial parking - which I'm sure it will - it's pedestrian friendly/facilitating orientation to Delmar, density, proximity to Metrolink, and fact that it'd assumedly be mixed-use would make it TOD.
As for the design: a potentially boring 13 story apartment building is really exciting for the Loop. This is 2x taller than any other residential in the Loop except for the 15 story monolithic concrete assisted living tower on Westgate. A potentially boring 14 story office tower in Clayton is a story that's been told many times over. It's not a free pass from criticism of the design, but boring or not, this would bring something unique and really significant to the Loop's built environment.
As for the design: a potentially boring 13 story apartment building is really exciting for the Loop. This is 2x taller than any other residential in the Loop except for the 15 story monolithic concrete assisted living tower on Westgate. A potentially boring 14 story office tower in Clayton is a story that's been told many times over. It's not a free pass from criticism of the design, but boring or not, this would bring something unique and really significant to the Loop's built environment.
At least it's not clad in brick and crowned with a clocktower. I really hope this proposal moves forward- that vacant lot has bugged me for years.
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It smells like money. Lots of it. At least $40 million Simoleans. So while we can debate back and forth about brick or concrete, stainless steel or glass, this project stands to change the world on the East Loop.
And at least for now, it appears to be 100% privately financed. Maybe some TIF will be added, but by and large, it looks like two ducks, two rather powerful ducks, Edwards and Clayco, are risking serious jack on this proposal.
We should be kissing their feathered behinds right in the middle of Delmar. We should be holding a second line jazz march in honor of these guys.
Is it TOD? C'mon! Consistent with the city's new TOD plan for the area, a block from Metrolink and on top of the new Loop Trolley?
"Is it TOD?"...
Where do I sign up?
And at least for now, it appears to be 100% privately financed. Maybe some TIF will be added, but by and large, it looks like two ducks, two rather powerful ducks, Edwards and Clayco, are risking serious jack on this proposal.
We should be kissing their feathered behinds right in the middle of Delmar. We should be holding a second line jazz march in honor of these guys.
Is it TOD? C'mon! Consistent with the city's new TOD plan for the area, a block from Metrolink and on top of the new Loop Trolley?
"Is it TOD?"...
Where do I sign up?
More details up on nextSTL. Edwards is not involved in the apt building. He is redoing the building next door, currently home to Big Shark
http://nextstl.com/2015/11/clayco-plans ... east-loop/
http://nextstl.com/2015/11/clayco-plans ... east-loop/
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^ the piece also says 200 apartments are planned w/ 4,500 sq. ft. of ground floor retail; but beware, the author is a little loopy. 
^Some great details in that updated article.
I'd love to wake up in fall/winter 2017 and have this Clayco project and a 7-9 story Loop Lofts Phase II housing 500-600 new Loop residents.
I'd love to wake up in fall/winter 2017 and have this Clayco project and a 7-9 story Loop Lofts Phase II housing 500-600 new Loop residents.
I think the apartment building looks pretty good. Of course, as always, detailing and finish will make or break the final product.
Looks like the former Church's Chicken will see new life . . .
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A paid parking lot
FALCON HOLDINGS LLC Occupancy 12/10/2015 PARKING LOT $0.00 Description: PAID PARKING LOT
No mention of demo of the building, guess they're trying to stem the bleeding while hoping someone will want that piece of junk
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A paid parking lot
FALCON HOLDINGS LLC Occupancy 12/10/2015 PARKING LOT $0.00 Description: PAID PARKING LOT
No mention of demo of the building, guess they're trying to stem the bleeding while hoping someone will want that piece of junk
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Seriously wondering if demo'ing the building may actually bring more interest. It makes me cringe every time I drive by. Start with a blank slate.quincunx wrote:Looks like the former Church's Chicken will see new life . . .
Trumpets sound
A paid parking lot
FALCON HOLDINGS LLC Occupancy 12/10/2015 PARKING LOT $0.00 Description: PAID PARKING LOT
No mention of demo of the building, guess they're trying to stem the bleeding while hoping someone will want that piece of junk
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As opposed to now? It's clear that's what people think of it already.quincunx wrote:But then there's nothing to lease.
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Church's Chicken re-done similarly to Byrd & Barrel might not be bad for that intersection - At least compared to paid parking...
"Similarly" to B&B? How about just a second location. I just pitched it to them on Twitter haha.stlexplorer wrote:Church's Chicken re-done similarly to Byrd & Barrel might not be bad for that intersection - At least compared to paid parking...
I'm told the paid parking lot idea is dead.
The check cashing place just east of the Metrolink tracks closed.
The check cashing place just east of the Metrolink tracks closed.
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^ good news on two counts, I think. As for the key Church's Chicken spot, I think that is a great idea on a Byrd & Barrel or Gus's transformation at least until infill might become more economical... which brings me to a question, has anyone been to both of those and can give a verdict on food preference and price comparison?