It’s wild how people losing their minds over random events. I get that seeing a homicide on video is horrifying but that’s how most homicides are and that’s how most homicides start- an argument over drugs between 2 people that know each other. Did you notice that the shooters didn’t just randomly shoot other people
Can some old timers comment on what it was like in
1970 Index crimes 71,437 Homicides 309
1993 Index crimes 64,438 Homicides 267
1970 Index crimes 71,437 Homicides 309
1993 Index crimes 64,438 Homicides 267
I'm sure Janae Edmondson will take solace in knowing that it could have happened to anyone, anywhere. "Wild."dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Mar 02, 2023It’s wild how people losing their minds over random events. I get that seeing a homicide on video is horrifying but that’s how most homicides are and that’s how most homicides start- an argument over drugs between 2 people that know each other. Did you notice that the shooters didn’t just randomly shoot other people
Not quite that old, butquincunx wrote: ↑Mar 02, 2023Can some old timers comment on what it was like in
1970 Index crimes 71,437 Homicides 309
1993 Index crimes 64,438 Homicides 267
1970 population 622,000
1993 population 384,000
2022 population 297,000
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I mean yes it does, 2 modot workers got killed in south county on side of the road, Illinois State patrol had like a 5-week stretch when they lost half a dozen highway patrol standing on the side of the road. 109 people will be killed on the US roads today and tomorrow and the day after and every other day rest of this yearbprop wrote: ↑Mar 02, 2023I'm sure Janae Edmondson will take solace in knowing that it could have happened to anyone, anywhere.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Mar 02, 2023It’s wild how people losing their minds over random events. I get that seeing a homicide on video is horrifying but that’s how most homicides are and that’s how most homicides start- an argument over drugs between 2 people that know each other. Did you notice that the shooters didn’t just randomly shoot other people
in January downtown had 12 car crashes that resulted in an injury (all non-pedestrian) unfortunately she is the first and only pedestrian to be injured in downtown this year and only 1 of 3 since start of 2022.
I'm sure the victims will take solace in those population stats.
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what does that have to do with anything? do you think criminals that commit crimes in stl city are all city residents and that victims are just city residents?
Pardon if I misinterpreted the post, but I assumed it was intended to show how things were "worse" back in 1970 and 1993 by posting a single statistic (homicides). I countered by showing that the population has hollowed out and the homicide rate is actually not better - not that I think that's any sort of holistic indicator of anything.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Mar 02, 2023what does that have to do with anything? do you think criminals that commit crimes in stl city are all city residents and that victims are just city residents
I listed two stats. And we know counting nonresident criminals and victims in the numerator but not in the denominator decreases the meaningfulness of calculating rates.
I'm having trouble parsing your logic. I'm sure it's me being dense.quincunx wrote: ↑Mar 02, 2023I listed two stats. And we know counting nonresident criminals and victims in the numerator but not in the denominator decreases the meaningfulness of calculating rates.
Are you saying that because non-residents are getting killed in the City, then if someone is visiting from, say, Nashville and gets killed (or is the victim of a different crime), we should add Nashville's population to the denominator?
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we dont but Nashville adds its whole county when they report the data to the FBIbprop wrote: ↑Mar 02, 2023I'm having trouble parsing your logic. I'm sure it's me being dense.quincunx wrote: ↑Mar 02, 2023I listed two stats. And we know counting nonresident criminals and victims in the numerator but not in the denominator decreases the meaningfulness of calculating rates.
Are you saying that because non-residents are getting killed in the City, then if someone is visiting from, say, Nashville and gets killed (or is the victim of a different crime), we should add Nashville's population to the denominator?
That literally was the tweet that jogged my memory about the phrase I posted here years ago, and I decided to revisit.dweebe wrote: ↑Mar 02, 2023
I think Carson is pissed because he was at the balloon release ceremony in honor of the 4 killed in the crash at Grand & FPP. Of course some yahoos with guns showed up and ruined the event.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/multimedi ... 0791c.html
No, I'm saying that using the city's population to calculate rate doesn't have much meaning when is discounts visitors commuting and being victims of crime. We could add in the county and things look better. We could split the city and one chuck looks great and another looks worse. THe shape is arbitrary to some degree.bprop wrote: ↑Mar 02, 2023I'm having trouble parsing your logic. I'm sure it's me being dense.quincunx wrote: ↑Mar 02, 2023I listed two stats. And we know counting nonresident criminals and victims in the numerator but not in the denominator decreases the meaningfulness of calculating rates.
Are you saying that because non-residents are getting killed in the City, then if someone is visiting from, say, Nashville and gets killed (or is the victim of a different crime), we should add Nashville's population to the denominator?
The bigger point as to whether we've hit rock bottom is that 1970 and 1993 sounds really bad too. There's recency bias to today and also there isn't video of those crimes and murders to see.
This happened in 1983 in St. Louis. I'm sure people were asking "have we hit rock bottom?" then.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis_Jane_Doe
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This has to get the STL Baghdad Bob’s “pie-in-the-sky” folks to realize that massive change has to happen.
If we have an execution-style murder in broad daylight on a downtown street, how could a Baghdad Bob be against bringing in rhe National Guard to simply give immediate attention?
If we have an execution-style murder in broad daylight on a downtown street, how could a Baghdad Bob be against bringing in rhe National Guard to simply give immediate attention?
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Everything in this photo is perfectly legal in Missouri, even if he was 14 it would be legal. There is literally nothing Police can do about that. Everyone in the state can have a gun, no permit needed and no age restrictions and police can’t ask you about it until you fire the shot.
It’s strange that now we need the national guard after violent crime and homicides have been cut down 30% since 2020 peak but the mayor is now black and not white like 2020
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I called for the National Guard when Loser Lyda was mayor. You bringing up race is as predictable as the sun rising.
As Chicago just showed us, your time is coming to an end.
As Chicago just showed us, your time is coming to an end.
Francis Slay thought it was a good idea, at least in a specific scenario:
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... 8abbc.html
That said, I can't imagine how it would work in a more general scenario, particularly if there's nothing to back it up (like prosecution).
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... 8abbc.html
That said, I can't imagine how it would work in a more general scenario, particularly if there's nothing to back it up (like prosecution).
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^ to prosecute what? You think national guard has authority to arrest people and request charges?
Mayor Lightfoot and Mayor Jones are not on similar paths. Jones would win today, probably by a greater % than she did in 2021.whitherSTL wrote:I called for the National Guard when Loser Lyda was mayor. You bringing up race is as predictable as the sun rising.
As Chicago just showed us, your time is coming to an end.
Atlanta is getting hard on crime right now and they have a black female prosecutor. Kim Gardner is just a inept individual, that is not doing her job and seems to be addicted to the media fame. Also, most of the victims of violence in the city of St. Louis are like the young, black men depicted in this article.whitherSTL wrote: ↑Mar 02, 2023I called for the National Guard when Loser Lyda was mayor. You bringing up race is as predictable as the sun rising.
As Chicago just showed us, your time is coming to an end