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PostOct 15, 2014#851

Yes! I saw those on the MetroLink tracks between Scottrade and Grand.

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PostOct 15, 2014#852

Going off that picture--so general uselessness as a legit form of transport and high costs and all that aside... I just think it'll look pretty f-in cool when it's finally up and running. And there's something to be said for that at least.

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PostNov 08, 2014#853

No good news here

nextSTL.com - Loop Trolley Off the Rails, Bids $11M Over Budget Threaten Project’s Future
nextSTL has learned that bids to construct the long planned Loop Trolley have come in $11M above budget, threatening to permanently derail the project. The amount is more than 25% above the trolley’s $43M stated budget. Current plans call for the project to be re-bid without substantial reengineering.
http://nextstl.com/2014/11/loop-trolley/

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PostNov 09, 2014#854

Time for the St. Louis transit projects and planners to get together and come up with a more encompassing plan and a list of priorities. It's clear these small semi-independent projects are going to struggle to get themselves funded.

And I know they all are aware of each other and have some overlap, but they're not truly planning together.

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PostNov 09, 2014#855

That's pretty stunning. You think of Joe Edwards as being this savvy dealmaker who's got all the pieces together. Wonder if/how he can fix this.

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PostNov 09, 2014#856

i don't understand how they managed to underestimate project costs by 20%, particularly given Chris Poehler's involvement. they're either going to have to scale the project back substantially or make an appeal to some deep-pocketed corporate benefactors. maybe they could sell advertising space on/inside the trolleys.

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PostNov 09, 2014#857

Good thing they rushed to cut down those trees on Debaliviere. Sigh. This city is so frustrating sometimes. Even if I thought the loop trolley was a bad project, which I did, I wish this city/region would stop fighting itself, commit to a plan and follow it through.

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PostNov 09, 2014#858

Eddie Roth condescendingly (as usual) reporting on Facebook that Alex blew it out of proportion:


The beauty of the digital age is that readers quickly can be alerted to weak news gathering and thinly incomplete reporting, thus giving the subject of a news story a fighting chance, even when a story is goosed by a sensational headline.

I am referring to nextSTL’s update, this afternoon, on the Loop Trolley project.

Chris Poehler is project manager and the single most knowledgable person on Loop Trolley plans, specifications, bidding process, construction budget and funding sources.

Reporter Alex Ihnen thus had the right man when he left a Facebook message for Chris just yesterday afternoon, asking: “Who would I talk to to get the latest on the loop trolley on or off the record? You? Someone else?”

The message was posted on Friday at 5:41 p.m., Chris tells me. Alex didn’t say he was writing on deadline. He didn’t say he needed a quick response. He didn’t tell Chris that he was working on a story in which he was planning to report that the Loop Trolley was “off the rails” financially, with the project’s future in dire jeopardy.

Chris quite reasonably planned to call Alex back on Monday.

nextSTL’s posted its story with no further notice to Chris Saturday afternoon.

The story correctly reports that construction bids for the project came back some weeks ago $11 million over estimates, a sum that -- if that were the whole story -- would represent a formidable hurdle for the project.

But that's not the whole story. There is more news, information without which nextSTL could not convey to its readers a fair and accurate picture of the status of the Loop Trolley, information the project manager would have explained to nextSTL had nextSTL given him fair notice and a fair chance to respond.

nextSTL reported that “[c]urrent plans call for the project to be re-bid without substantial reengineering.” That’s only partly true.

The project already has been rebid. There was no substantial reengineering. There were, however, a series of more modest engineering and scaling changes. When added up and taken together, they are expected to produce savings of about $2 million.

What’s more, under the project as rebid, work was broken into more pieces and in ways expected to generate more competitive bids. This already has paid off. Certain electrical work originally packaged as part of a single large “civil infrastructure” project element was spun off into a separate bid package. These bids already are back:

The low bid is $1.9 million less than the bid for he same work under the canceled bids.

More information will roll in this week and next.

Bids on the remaining parts of the “civil infrastructure” work are due on November 11.

Another part of what had been included in “civil infrastructure” bid package — power substations — was made a part of a separate package for the project maintenance facilities. Those bids are due on November 18.

Chris and the trolley project team , in other words, responded to bids that came in $11 million over estimates by rebidding the project, identifying about $2M in savings through modest changes, and reconfiguring how the work was bid in ways that already have yielded low bid savings of $1.9 million on the only work for which the bids are in.

The other bids will be in this coming week and the week after.

The project was organized in a way that anticipates that bids will come in over estimates. That’s why a $3.5 million contingency fund already is contained in the budget. That’s why good prospects exist for additional contingency funding to help ensure the Loop Trolley continues to chug up this steep hill be the little engine that can and will.

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PostNov 09, 2014#859

The tone of that actually doesn't bother me so much. I think he has a right to be a bit miffed if what he's saying is true. And that's not a knock on Alex necessarily either. Maybe we wouldn't have gotten a clear response if Alex didn't go through with the post.

In any case, if what Roth is saying is accurate, that's a positive for the project. Sounds like it's reasonable they could cut that $11 million over budget in at least half. Then make up a bunch of that with the $3.5 million set aside. Then they're just needing to come up with a bit more to pull this off.

Part of me wishes they'd call off the Loop Trolley and work on something more substantial, but the other part views a small positive as still a positive and wants to see it get done.

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PostNov 10, 2014#861

Appreciate Joe's resolve.

Interesting how different the reporting of the same details is. It's not moving forward at the moment. They've run into an obstacle that they hope and are confident they can overcome.

KSKD - Loop trolley project moving forward
ST. LOUIS - It's full steam ahead for the Loop trolley project, at least that's what the organizers are hoping.

Initial bids came in $11 million dollars over budget.

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PostNov 10, 2014#862

Post-Dispatch also is reporting the positive spin.

After the nextstl report I thought the National Blues Museum was all but certain to lose the Which Project Will Be Last to Begin Construction Race but now I'm not so sure again! Will please one of these projects just start already!

PostNov 11, 2014#863

I just noticed we're just 6 months from this being a decade-long thread.

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PostNov 12, 2014#864

At this rate, it'll be at ten years before construction 'finally' starts.

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PostNov 13, 2014#865

Atlanta proposed its street car trolley after the Delmar Loop Trolley.

Guess which one is already running tests?


Photo Credit: AtlantaMustang

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PostNov 13, 2014#866

^ Atlanta!!!! whats my prize?

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PostNov 13, 2014#867

You win a free ride on the Delmar Loop Trolley when it is finally done in 2020.

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PostDec 10, 2014#868

Apparently the re-bidding resulted in responses closer to projections and the hope is to now close on financing this month and have the project open by mid 2016.

http://www.westendword.com/Articles-Uni ... z3LWoABvEs

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PostJan 15, 2015#869

Just around the corner again.

West End Word - Construction On Loop Trolley Could Begin In March
Construction of the Loop Trolley could begin in March, according to Mayor Shelley Welsch, who serves as secretary of the Loop Trolley Transportation Development District.
http://www.westendword.com/Articles-Uni ... March.html

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PostJan 15, 2015#870

quincunx wrote:Just around the corner again.
The Loop Trolley has been around more corners than "The Old Mongoose" Archie Moore.

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PostFeb 11, 2015#871

Looks like work has started on rehabbing the old Delmar High School building for the Trolley Barn.

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PostFeb 14, 2015#872

framer wrote:Looks like work has started on rehabbing the old Delmar High School building for the Trolley Barn.
The two Portland streetcars bound for the Loop trolley have been sitting outside the Metro train yard for the past several months and through the winter season. I wonder if they will even be in working condition by the time construction starts/finishes.

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PostFeb 17, 2015#873

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/20 ... /23548613/

Construction starting on the roundabout near the Lions Gate.

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PostFeb 18, 2015#874

$43M for 2 miles = $4071.97 per foot. I wonder what a Metrolink light rail up/down Jefferson would cost in comparison.

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PostFeb 18, 2015#875

Metrolink is about $90 million per mile or $ 17,045 per foot and also higher operational cost, i assume.

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