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streetsabby wrote:

TGE-ATW wrote:

UrbanPioneer wrote:^ I once saw a bumper sticker that put it his way:



"Why do we kill people who kill people to prove that killing people is wrong?"

We don't kill them to prove that killing is wrong. We kill them to punish them.

How are we punishing a dead person?

We aren't, we are punishing a live person by converting him into a dead person.

It's simply a fact that innocent people have been sentenced to death and executed. Just take a look at Illinois. People are being freed with some regularity from death row. If the system weren't so slow (average time spent on death row = 12 years) more people would have been wrongly executed.

Now that we've finished debating the nuances of the death penalty, can we start discussing abortion?

TGE-ATW wrote:

streetsabby wrote:

TGE-ATW wrote:

We don't kill them to prove that killing is wrong. We kill them to punish them.

How are we punishing a dead person?

We aren't, we are punishing a live person by converting him into a dead person.

I wonder how long the whole lethal injection process takes. Let's say it takes 2 hours. That's only 2 hours of punishment, minus the 12 years on deathrow. After the person is dead, they are dead and their presumably innocent family and friends continue to be punished long after. On the risk of sounding morbid, I would love to have 12 years to make peace with myself and 2 hours to tell my family and friends I love them, eat my favorite meal, be blessed by a priest ( if that's your thing), say sorry, die considerably quick and cleanly. Doesn't seem like too much punishment to me, unless you are innocent. In the meantime, the rest of us are just sitting around waiting to meet our fate, not knowing how ugly, painful it may be or if we will be able to "tie up loose ends". I agree that the system and process have to be perfected before the state starts killing more people. These of course are just my personal opinions. I'm surprised the abortion issue hasn't come up yet in a post about the death penalty...it usually does.

^^ and then humane shelters - talk about a misnomer! And we're paying HOW MUCH to house kitties that nearly always get put down?

UrbanPioneer wrote:My car was broken into last night. They took nothing because, well, there was literally nothing in there to steal. Went through the glove box, threw the worthless stuff on the seat (first aid kit etc.), popped open the trunk, saw nothing, and left empty handed. A**holes...



Don't know why they picked my car to bust into, there was absolutely nothing in there... not even a single piece of trash.



Guess it was bound to happen sometime.

That sucks. I'm not saying this will work for everyone, but if it's a car that's unlikely to be stolen you could leave it unlocked. I have a couple friends who have done this - at least windows don't get broken!

Grover wrote:I've only spoken to a Hi-Tec security guard once and the guy was a total prick. I was walking in the CWE with my girlfriend at the time and we walked over to check out Westmoreland Place (having seen it on Google maps). As we walked into the neighborhood from Lindell a security guard drove towards us and parked the nose of his car almost on the sidewalk - tires against the curb and told us not to go any further! W. T. F.? We told him we were just out of a walk (we were confused as to why he'd stopped us) and he said, "no you're not, not here!" He then explained that we should know better than to walk back there and told us we were lying when we basically said we didn't know any better. What a d-bag.

This story caught my curiosity. St. Louis is apparently significant in the development of, "private places." Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_place. Also read up on Julius Pitzman, a Prussian-born American surveyor and city planner best known for his development of the private, gated neighborhoods in St. Louis, Missouri from 1867 through about 1914. Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Pitzman

^ Yes, a lot has been written about the private streets of St. Louis - some nice coffee table books, etc., just don't try to take a look for yourself!

^ Why do you think they made the pretty books? So you don't have to see for yourself, buster!

They need to invent a car window that will somehow punish the hoodlum who is attempting to smash it in. Maybe the same technology that gave us the electric fence can be utlilzed.



I'd love to see a quivering mass on the sidewalk after he tried to bust that window out!

You could fill your car with dogs, or with bees, or with dogs who have bees in their mouth so when they bark they shoot bees.



(Homer Simpson's solution, I am not that smart).

TGE-ATW wrote:(Homer Simpson's solution, I am not that smart).

S-M-R-T. I mean, S-M-A-R-T.

Maybe you need a Tesla burglar alarm:

Tesla Coils are always amazing to look at, and now one is used as a Burglar Alarm.



Peter, an Australian who is fond of experimenting with Tesla coils has created a burglar alarm that should scare away any prospective thief. The literally electrifying alarm consists of a Tesla coil placed on top of a car. A rod would jut out towards the ground and when switched on, the electrifying sparks would encircle the car and put the thief in a mortal dilemma.

-RBB