It sort of has been legally explored, though. If you're within the view from a public space, than you don't have much of a right to privacy. As long as the cameras can't see through your windows, there's not really a legal issue.
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Does anyone else think the I-55 murder of the owner of Maggie O'Brian's was a professional hit?
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Certainly suspicious. Keep in mind the robbery in 2009 was an inside job. Terrible news though.Northside Neighbor wrote:Does anyone else think the I-55 murder of the owner of Maggie O'Brian's was a professional hit?
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In that Radiolab episode (with the camera drone), they tried it I think in Dayton, Ohio. They had one example of how it caught the thief.
But, the city council took it to the people for their 'alignment'. Most of them were okay with it. They said it was the boisterous minority that didn't want it, and because they were so boisterous (more so than the majority who wanted it), the council didn't take it any further.
It's a shame. While it doesn't prevent crime, it certainly is a savings to police....and us eventually.
I could see it being used to try to track someones cheating spouse....but the potential to decrease crime and improve safety far outweighs any privacy rights in my narrow little mind...
But, the city council took it to the people for their 'alignment'. Most of them were okay with it. They said it was the boisterous minority that didn't want it, and because they were so boisterous (more so than the majority who wanted it), the council didn't take it any further.
It's a shame. While it doesn't prevent crime, it certainly is a savings to police....and us eventually.
I could see it being used to try to track someones cheating spouse....but the potential to decrease crime and improve safety far outweighs any privacy rights in my narrow little mind...
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I think it would prevent certain types of crime though. In particular, crimes related to drug trafficking stand to be greatly reduced because it would be possible to trace the distributors back to their sources—similar to what happened in the Juarez story. I think that could be huge for St. Louis.MTBE wrote:IWhile it doesn't prevent crime, it certainly is a savings to police....and us eventually.
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That's one of the most interesting RadioLab Episodes I've heard. I personally think the positives far outweigh the negatives, but I realize that's a fuzzy line. But if it works in theory, and also gives police more time to get out into the community and develop relationships with people, I'm all for it. Because what we're doing now obviously isn't working.
Last Sunday night our street was hit by the vandals that are going around shooting out car windows. Fortunately, mine was missed but there was a good number of them hit.
Sounds like a few neighborhoods were hit. This was Debaliviere Place...
Isn't' this like the 3rd or 4th time since summer? One of our neighbors said it was between 8 - 10pm because she was leaving just before 10pm and noticed the windows of several cars were out.
Probably just a couple of bored teenagers, but still, hard to believe no one saw them and that they aren't bragging about it by now and someone turn them in...
Sounds like a few neighborhoods were hit. This was Debaliviere Place...
Isn't' this like the 3rd or 4th time since summer? One of our neighbors said it was between 8 - 10pm because she was leaving just before 10pm and noticed the windows of several cars were out.
Probably just a couple of bored teenagers, but still, hard to believe no one saw them and that they aren't bragging about it by now and someone turn them in...
They went on a long ride for sure. Maplewood was hit along with some other places in the city and county
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so they were actually SHOOTING the windows? like, with guns? because in that case it goes from being "just a couple of bored teenagers" to people potentially being killed by stray bullets. if we had Persistent Surveillance Systems (see the Crime thread) the culprits would have been tracked to wherever they sleep and arrested by now.MTBE wrote:Last Sunday night our street was hit by the vandals that are going around shooting out car windows. Fortunately, mine was missed but there was a good number of them hit.
Sounds like a few neighborhoods were hit. This was Debaliviere Place...
Isn't' this like the 3rd or 4th time since summer? One of our neighbors said it was between 8 - 10pm because she was leaving just before 10pm and noticed the windows of several cars were out.
Probably just a couple of bored teenagers, but still, hard to believe no one saw them and that they aren't bragging about it by now and someone turn them in...
They are believed to be using BB or pellet guns.urban_dilettante wrote:so they were actually SHOOTING the windows? like, with guns?
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Speaking only from personal experience here, but it definitely feels like nuisance crime at least has been considerably higher in DeBaliviere Place in the past year than in any of the previous seven years I've lived in the neighborhood. In my case my building has been broken into twice and I've had windows broken out of my car while it was in a seemingly secure garage. Not sure what the solution is, if any. Last year DeBaliviere Place voted in an SBD that is spending more money on security than has ever been the case, but it doesn't seem to have greatly helped things.
I'm on the 5500 block of Waterman Blvd and haven't had any issues until this (not directly affected either). But only there <1 yr so far...
What is an SBD?...
Probably why the parking lot lights at the temporary lot are so bright...
What is an SBD?...
Probably why the parking lot lights at the temporary lot are so bright...
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About a month ago those "kids" went through maplewood, Brentwood, clayton and ucity shooting our windows on the same night
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Property crimes are up 23% through October compared to last year in DeBaliviere Place. (Compared to down 7% citywide.)hiddeninput wrote:Speaking only from personal experience here, but it definitely feels like nuisance crime at least has been considerably higher in DeBaliviere Place in the past year than in any of the previous seven years I've lived in the neighborhood.
http://www.slmpd.org/crimestats/CRM0013-BY_201610.pdf
Not sure this kind of crime is part of the stats though.
So how will automated vehicles deal with this? Detect they've been shot and drive themselves to the maintenance facility for new windows?
New windows 3-D printed on the spot. You wake up in the morning and never even know you had a problem.
The other extreme? driverless car senses, locks in and targets the offender. I'm not sure many kids would knock out the window let alone try to take something out of the car if in return it chased the individual down the street and maybe gave a nice nudge or twoquincunx wrote:So how will automated vehicles deal with this? Detect they've been shot and drive themselves to the maintenance facility for new windows?
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Not sure if I follow all of what's suspected, but it appears the teen killed by police may have been responsible for a deadly violent crime wave on the south side the past week or so.
Good to see that he's dead. He can be a nice example for others who would ever consider shooting an officer in the face.
SLU student wounded in robbery "several blocks northwest of north campus"![]()
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how are these "people" that shoot at innocent victims NOT awarded life in prison after they've shot someone? Oh, ok, just because they miraculously didn't die? The shooter of the veteran that is now forced to use a wheelchair wasn't given a full life sentence because he lived and is only paralyzed?! He/they clearly tried to kill an innocent person. Let's hear from the criminals are just "victims of society" and no one truly makes their own decisions crowd..
^Welcome to Missouri..
Something I learned the other day...firing off your gun is considered a nuisance crime. Unless it is involved in breaking the law like robbery, murder, etc., you can shoot off your gun however you please in this city without much repercussion.
Something I learned the other day...firing off your gun is considered a nuisance crime. Unless it is involved in breaking the law like robbery, murder, etc., you can shoot off your gun however you please in this city without much repercussion.
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Criminals who shoot innocents should be locked up for life so they don't continue to do so. Meanwhile, social injustice creates more criminals. There you go. Not that hard to comprehend.jcity wrote:Let's hear from the criminals are just "victims of society" and no one truly makes their own decisions crowd..