Also last night about 945pm on the 24th I saw a convoy of police cars apparently chasing someone. They were right behind me getting off onto Kingshwy. I stayed clear but watched a white van blown through the lights with cops in pursuit. A few minutes later Kingshwy between FP and Laclede was closed with an endless stream of cop cars coming - I'd guess 20-30 cop cars, multiple ambulances and firetrucks. Nothing on any of the newspapers or channels last night or today.
I assume you saw what these guys are describing:cteclipse wrote:Also last night about 945pm on the 24th I saw a convoy of police cars apparently chasing someone. They were right behind me getting off onto Kingshwy. I stayed clear but watched a white van blown through the lights with cops in pursuit. A few minutes later Kingshwy between FP and Laclede was closed with an endless stream of cop cars coming - I'd guess 20-30 cop cars, multiple ambulances and firetrucks. Nothing on any of the newspapers or channels last night or today.

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We were coming from watching football on Forest Park Parkway and saw all the lights on Kingshighway.cteclipse wrote:Also last night about 945pm on the 24th I saw a convoy of police cars apparently chasing someone. They were right behind me getting off onto Kingshwy. I stayed clear but watched a white van blown through the lights with cops in pursuit. A few minutes later Kingshwy between FP and Laclede was closed with an endless stream of cop cars coming - I'd guess 20-30 cop cars, multiple ambulances and firetrucks. Nothing on any of the newspapers or channels last night or today.
When you see things like this not reported, you wonder how often things like this really happen. I was about 10 feet from crossing 14th Street at Locust one weekday afternoon a few weeks back when a car came flying southbound on 14th, probably 60mph, weaving around cars stopped at the red light. It was followed by probably a dozen cops from city, county and some county municipalities.
You'd think high-speed chases through the places most likely to be full of pedestrians would be newsworthy.
You'd think high-speed chases through the places most likely to be full of pedestrians would be newsworthy.
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Wow. Chit is really hitting the fan in Chicago but you'd never know because they don't report to the FBI and therefore don't make the "Most Dangerous Cities list"
"Chicago chad 51 murders last month, a massive jump from the 29 reported in January 2015. There were 292 shooting victims in 242 separate shootings from Jan. 1 to 31, up from 136 victims in 119 shootings during the same time last year."
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/De ... 90581.html
"Chicago chad 51 murders last month, a massive jump from the 29 reported in January 2015. There were 292 shooting victims in 242 separate shootings from Jan. 1 to 31, up from 136 victims in 119 shootings during the same time last year."
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/De ... 90581.html
Why is it legal for them to just not report? I really don't get it. It's one thing to find ways to skew the stats. But it's another entirely to just not report them.
And if it's totally legal... why don't we stop reporting ours?
And if it's totally legal... why don't we stop reporting ours?
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^^ not to diminish the bloodshed in Chicago, but even if that high monthly count held for all twelve months of the year, it still would be a rate almost 1/3 less than what we had in Saint Louis City last year. A hypothetical city combining our homicide rate and Chicago's population would have about 134 homicides a month and over 1,600 for a year.
Cities in IL do report. The problem is IL defines rape differently so the FBI computers/bureaucrats say "does not compute" and thus not get an "official rate" for lazy statisticians to make rankings.
BTW
2015 homicides
STL City 188/3.17 = 59.3
Indy (record high) 144/8.52 = 16.9
Stl City + Co 254/13.19 = 19.23/100k
Fragmentation isn't helping our crime problem nor our crime stats problem.
BTW
2015 homicides
STL City 188/3.17 = 59.3
Indy (record high) 144/8.52 = 16.9
Stl City + Co 254/13.19 = 19.23/100k
Fragmentation isn't helping our crime problem nor our crime stats problem.
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Disappointing uptick in homicides the past few weeks.... we had 15 homicides in January and only 8 in December. We need to get down to 8-10 consistently to return to the pre-escalation numbers we had beginning in '13. Good news though is that the homicide rate is about 1/3 less over the past four months than the same period the prior year.
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I've been keeping a running tally:
#DeathRaceSTL2016
City/Surrounding Counties Traffic Fatalities: 23
City/Surrounding Counties Homicides: 20
Compiled from Stltoday Crime & Courts RSS Feed, Google Alerts, MO Highway Patrol (IL excluded)
https://www.mshp.dps.missouri.gov/HP68/ ... rchTroop=C
http://www.stltoday.com/search/?q=&d1=& ... &t=article
#DeathRaceSTL2016
City/Surrounding Counties Traffic Fatalities: 23
City/Surrounding Counties Homicides: 20
Compiled from Stltoday Crime & Courts RSS Feed, Google Alerts, MO Highway Patrol (IL excluded)
https://www.mshp.dps.missouri.gov/HP68/ ... rchTroop=C
http://www.stltoday.com/search/?q=&d1=& ... &t=article
January Crime Stats are out.
Crimes against people down 16.4%
Crimes against people down 16.4%
- Homicides down 6.3% (16 to 15)
Rape up 39.1% (23 to 32)
Robbery down 35.6% (202 to 130)
Aggravated Assaults down 7.4% (270 to 250)
- Burglary down 26.7% (363 to 266)
Larceny down 16.9% (1086 to 902)
Vehicle Theft down 11.4% (306 to 271)
Arson up 750% (2 to 17)
^ Are those December 2015 vs January 2016 or January 2015 vs January 2016?
I hate when people ask questions like this because they are often misguided by false perceptions or crime and safety.
I hope this won't jinx anything, but as best as I can tell, there have been no homicides in the City of St. Louis through the first 8 days of February.
For some reason February is often lower than January.
(Jan/Feb)
2010: (13/8)
2011: (2/12)
2012: (11/6)
2013: (15/5)
2014: (14/5)
2015: (16/7)
2016: (15/?)
We also went the first 8 days of January without a homicide, then finished with 15.
Fingers crossed.
(Jan/Feb)
2010: (13/8)
2011: (2/12)
2012: (11/6)
2013: (15/5)
2014: (14/5)
2015: (16/7)
2016: (15/?)
We also went the first 8 days of January without a homicide, then finished with 15.
Fingers crossed.
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Four traffic deaths in the metro area for comparison over same period.gregl wrote:I hope this won't jinx anything, but as best as I can tell, there have been no homicides in the City of St. Louis through the first 8 days of February.
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^^It's not unusual to go 8 days. I've tracked homicides for years, and the longest stretch I've found in the last 25 years or so was 18 days. Also, February is historically the low month along with January for both property and violent crime. When we're dealing with relatively low numbers to begin with, then any change seems significant. (If there were 10 one year and 12 the next, it's a 20% increase.)
We've now made it to 10 days in February without a homicide.gregl wrote:I hope this won't jinx anything, but as best as I can tell, there have been no homicides in the City of St. Louis through the first 8 days of February.
Even more interesting (to me) is that there have been no homicides south of Delmar since the start of the year.
Greg
I think I counted 6 of the 17 homicides so far this year do not fall in one of the 15 neighborhoods listed by Alderman French's Comprehensive Plan. Obviously not a majority, but still something to follow. We could be directing much needed funding toward neighborhoods who don't need the increase in services.
Is this a fluid plan? For example, if 6 months go by without a homicide in Bevo Mill, can resources be transferred to Carr/Columbus Square?
Is this a fluid plan? For example, if 6 months go by without a homicide in Bevo Mill, can resources be transferred to Carr/Columbus Square?
Can't let the crime thread get too far down the list
St. Louis police investigating after crowd of teens vandalizes cars downtown
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... 59210.html
Fourth man charged with gunning down woman on I-270 (not Metrolink)
Florissant man charged in teen's murder north of downtown St. Louis
St. Louis police investigating after crowd of teens vandalizes cars downtown
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... 59210.html
Fourth man charged with gunning down woman on I-270 (not Metrolink)
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... 9d5aa.htmlWallace worked at a McDonald’s restaurant in Nashville, Ill., and as a hairdresser for funeral homes. She was the mother of two sons, ages 11 and 16.
Florissant man charged in teen's murder north of downtown St. Louis
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... fdfd5.htmlLast Monday, Weatherspoon pleaded guilty in St. Louis Circuit Court to a charge of drug possession with intent to distribute. Court records show that Judge Elizabeth Hogan sentenced Weatherspoon to three years' probation, but suspended imposition of that sentence. One of the court conditions for Weatherspoon's sentence in the drug case is that he stay enrolled at Vatterott College.
By my counts, we finished February with 4 homicides (vs. 7 for last year). Through February, that would total 19 (vs. 23 last year).
Not conclusive of anything, that's 5 months in a row with lower numbers than the previous year.
Greg
Not conclusive of anything, that's 5 months in a row with lower numbers than the previous year.
Greg
Can you make a bar graph with monthly numbers from last few years next to each other?
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gregl,
I'm hopeful we'll see a considerable drop in homicide this year but as you say these figures can be fleeting... e.g. last year we only had a 6% increase at end of March over the prior year but then we went all murdery after that. We need to get to the point where we have "only" 9-10 homicides a month on a sustained basis to get us back to the "normal" levels we had pre-2014.
I'm hopeful we'll see a considerable drop in homicide this year but as you say these figures can be fleeting... e.g. last year we only had a 6% increase at end of March over the prior year but then we went all murdery after that. We need to get to the point where we have "only" 9-10 homicides a month on a sustained basis to get us back to the "normal" levels we had pre-2014.





