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PostJun 10, 2009#576

TGE-ATW wrote:Let's see: crime (check), speculation about perps (check), race-related argument's (check), personal attacks (check), attempted threadjack extolling the benefits of carrying a loaded gun around one's home investigating random noises while children sleep in adjacent rooms (check), perp's caught (check), opportunity to vent individual fantasy's regarding appropriate punishment (check)............looks like this one's a wrap! That's some nice police work their Lou.


TGE crackin' us up (check)



I'm glad this case is solved. Enjoy your daily reamings you dumb sh*t criminals.

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PostJun 10, 2009#577

TGE-ATW wrote:Let's see: crime (check), speculation about perps (check), race-related argument's (check), personal attacks (check), attempted threadjack extolling the benefits of carrying a loaded gun around one's home investigating random noises while children sleep in adjacent rooms (check), perp's caught (check), opportunity to vent individual fantasy's regarding appropriate punishment (check)............looks like this one's a wrap! That's some nice police work their Lou.


=D>

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PostJun 10, 2009#578

Juice wrote:


I had been in bed for an hour, it was a comfort to have the steel in my hand.


What were you doing, Juice? :wink:

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PostJun 10, 2009#579

you forgot one TGE - city bashing (check)

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PostJun 10, 2009#580

The Count wrote:Juice wrote:


I had been in bed for an hour, it was a comfort to have the steel in my hand.


What were you doing, Juice? :wink:


:lol: Good catch Count



I think that one got more snickers than a vending machine!

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PostJun 10, 2009#581

The Count wrote:Juice wrote:


I had been in bed for an hour, it was a comfort to have the steel in my hand.


What were you doing, Juice? :wink:


#-o

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PostJun 10, 2009#582

Speaking of guns in public places, an 89-year old man walked into the Holocaust Museum in DC and shot a security guard. It doesn't get much more What than that.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31208188/

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PostJun 10, 2009#583

^ Maybe people SHOULDN'T be trained so they would then miss when they shoot.

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PostJun 10, 2009#584

Miss what? The bullet is eventually gonna hit something.

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PostJun 10, 2009#585

In the Maggie O'Brien's case it was the stray bullet that was the hero, and the (presumably) aimed one that was the villain. Without the aimed bullet, the innocent guy would be alive; without the stray, the perp wouldn't be the maggoty box of goo he is today. Also, I bet that the case never would have been solved if the one robber hadn't been killed by the un-aimed shot into the back of the bar (unless they got a license plate on a security camera at the hospital). Very strange. So, three cheers for stray bullets!............anybody? Anybody?

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PostJun 10, 2009#586

My email/complaints to the chief did not go un-answered. I just got a call from a Sargent saying that the actions of the dispatcher was inappropriate and asked me if I wanted to write up a formal complaint. She said "I would if I were you because we are here to protect and serve you." I obliged! She was very friendly and said I would get an update when there is one.

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PostJun 10, 2009#587

Well whadda you know. I find it interesting that two of the perps are from Illinois (O'Fallon and East St. Louis) and not from the area around Crown Candy Kitchen.



Further, being from Illinois, I wonder why didn't they hold up Lotawata Creek Southern Grill? Not only does the place have good grub, it's always full of people and I am sure the perps could have gotten a lot more cash.

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PostJun 10, 2009#588

^ You forgot to mention that the murderer lived in North City near downtown. Of course no one is disputing that parts of East St. Louis or O'Fallon aren't dangerous. But North City is closer, eh. Crime statistics don't lie.

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PostJun 10, 2009#589

^LOL! Predictable. Bless your heart.

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PostJun 10, 2009#590

^ Likewise. We're all praying that North St. Louis begins the long road toward revitalization. It's the only way to bring greater safety there and in surrounding areas.

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PostJun 10, 2009#591

innov8ion wrote:^ You forgot to mention that the murderer lived in North City near downtown. Of course no one is disputing that parts of East St. Louis or O'Fallon aren't dangerous. But North City is closer, eh. Crime statistics don't lie.
LOL!! funny revision. [-X



Dude, all of the perps are accused murderers of varying degrees.



Ummm. Read the article.



The charges: two counts of first-degree murder (Mosley) and two counts of second-degree murder (Baker). The dead perp can't be charged because he was allegedly killed by one of America's Dumbest Criminals. Missouri was going to kill him, but his accomplice beat the God forsaken state to the punch.



And when did Cote Brillante become a street near downtown?



Bless your heart.

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PostJun 10, 2009#592

^ I'm glad you think it's funny that North City residents cause a highly disproportionate share of crime downtown. And at its easternmost, Cote Brilliante is 2.5 miles from downtown. Yes, that's nearby.

PostJun 10, 2009#593

throatybeard wrote:Speaking of guns in public places, an 89-year old man walked into the Holocaust Museum in DC and shot a security guard. It doesn't get much more What than that.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31208188/
The white supremacist gunman was originally from St. Louis. Ref: http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyr ... _brunn.php

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PostJun 11, 2009#594

RFT has a much better write up than the Post. Oh, and the RFT is free, so no pushy salesmen.



http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyr ... mplice.php



"The Department would like to note that this case serves as an excellent example of what can happen with the cooperation of the public. We received multiple calls from people with information on the incident. The steady flow of information caused our dedicated Detectives to work many hours on little sleep--never wanting to leave a "fresh" lead. Their diligence helped crack this case. The public can and does play a major role in helping police to solve crimes and we thank those who called with information in this case."

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PostJun 11, 2009#595

innov8ion wrote:
throatybeard wrote:Speaking of guns in public places, an 89-year old man walked into the Holocaust Museum in DC and shot a security guard. It doesn't get much more What than that.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31208188/
The white supremacist gunman was originally from St. Louis. Ref: http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyr ... _brunn.php


You know. I've lived in STL most of my life and have always loved it and talked it up. But I still read news like "the gunman was a white supremacist originally from STL" and unfortunately, it never surprises me in the least." I'm sorry and Why?

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PostJun 11, 2009#596

But I still read news like "the gunman was a white supremacist originally from STL"


When was the last time you read news like this?


unfortunately, it never surprises me in the least." I'm sorry and Why?


Do we have to tell you why it never surprises you in the least? Why don't you tell us?

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PostJun 11, 2009#597

The Count wrote:
But I still read news like "the gunman was a white supremacist originally from STL"


When was the last time you read news like this?


unfortunately, it never surprises me in the least." I'm sorry and Why?


Do we have to tell you why it never surprises you in the least? Why don't you tell us?


Well...I'm not quite sure how to answer that Count, or I wouldn't have to ask. I guess I meant to say, "whenever I read..." I hear people from other cities in the U.S. who have visited STL say it seems very racist. I'm not sure if other states have adopted stretches of the highway to the KKK, but that most certainly doesn't help with first impressions upon entering the city. I'm most certainly not trying to start a race argument. I'm also not trying to make excuses but English is not my first language and I often have trouble finding the right words to come out correctly. Perhaps I meant Missouri or the Mid-West...perhaps I am stereotyping, if so, it is not my intention and I apologize. Don't get me wrong, I love STL and am from a very diverse neighborhood and will defend it.

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PostJun 11, 2009#598

No worries and no need to apologize.

English is not my first language so I know where you're coming from.



Personally, speaking to people when I lived in other cities they either had been to St. Louis and loved it or didn't know it and hated it.



I guess it's all about perception and it's up to us to change this perception for the better.

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PostJun 11, 2009#599

^ I imagine that it's much, much more about perception than experience. I know of no one who has visited the city and left saying, "gosh that was one racist city."

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PostJun 11, 2009#600

LMAO ^



You should read Yahoo! Travel Reviews. I've done a couple blog posts of them:


STL is Baltimore Without an Ocean or Culture

By A Yahoo! Contributor, 01/04/09

I am a well-traveled professional, having been to 44 of the 50 United States. A December 2008 one-week stay in St. Louis has convinced me that it is essentially Baltimore with no ocean/bay or culture to speak of.



1) Extremely segregated

2) Nasty, lazy and ignorant locals

3) Burnt-out abandoned brick buildings

4) Arrogance among the ignorant ("Country Pride, I beleve?)

5) An incredibly apparent aura of depression and unhealthy lifestyles





I found the Gateway Arch somewhat interesting, but the Anheuser-Busch tour was rushed and quite dull, which I liken to the recent buyout by InBev. Having met several individuals that worked at Anheuser-Busch, I can certainly see how their slow, slovenly ways allowed the buyout/mass terminations to happen.

St. Louis is NOT the Midwest!

By A Yahoo! Contributor, 01/02/09

It absolutely irks me that so many cretins use "St. Louis" and "Midwest

in the same sentence! This is not the Midwest, people! Chicago, Des Moines, Indianapolis, Milwaukee are good Midwestern cities. St. Louis is a SOUTHERN town, complete with segregated neighborhoods, an immensely lower standard for education/work ethic, poverty, and just downright lazy and indifferent folks. I thank heaven for I-270 so that I may bypass this feted and festering landfill.




So this one below doesn't directly invoke race, but does say that St. Louisans are suspicious of anyone not like them. And it's someone who's lived in St. Louis for 9 years--hardly a visitor. Still, sad perspective.
From a transplant who lives here

By jjs24_1999, 09/10/08

As someone who moved to St Louis 9 years ago and can't wait to get out, I'll try to give an objective viewpoint:



Bad- the people



St. Louis is nothing more than a big small town. Small town people with small town attitudes; horrible place to move to if you are a young professional. The problem is the natives who are massively stuck in their comfort zones. I've never encountered a people in my life who are more afraid of change, progress and personal growth. Most are still stuck in high school with the mentality to match (hence the H.S. question.) Everyone here is essentially the same person- diversity is non-existent, even among white people. It would detract from their comfort to experience “different.” They are suspicious of tourists because deep down they know they are lacking in exposure to culture, diversity and growth and it makes them defensive and more resistant to growth. Not only are they all the same, they all like the same things, go to the same places and still hang out with the same people they did growing up. Same, same, same, same, same. You'll also find that most natives don't even leave their designated metro region. Can't tell you how many people I’ve come across who have never even been to other parts of the county 20 minutes away. When I say they are stuck in their ways, they're stuck, and quite frankly so lacking in exposure to other ways of life that they really don't understand the criticism directed to them. Don’t be fooled by all the new “hipness” STL is trying to associate with itself. It’s just the same small town people playing Sex and the City on a Saturday night and then waking up in time to go to Church with Mommy and Daddy’s on Sunday.

Interesting Points

By A Yahoo! Contributor, 01/29/08

Wow, interesting comments from below.



I'm surprised with the negative comments below, to each his own, I guess.



I really enjoy our once a year summer visits to St. Louis. I never experienced the rudeness some people mentioned, maybe it depends on the hotels you stay at?



Likes:

- FREE FREE FREE, great things free such as the zoo, brewery tour, etc.

- Great history

- cool neighborhoods

- close to the ozark mountains, great outdoors and hiking, and clear water river recreation. (ive seen people snorkeling)

- skiing 30 minutes from city! (who would have thought)

- check out city museum, a must

- Unique urban setting (can appear ghetto to those not used to it)



Dislikes:

- parochial natives, metrolink limited routes, hot summers, signs of urban decay (but understand they are revamping a lot), reminding of Detroit, racial tension.



St. Louis metropolitan has close to 3 million population (the 340,000 is extremely misleading) and is not a "town" like the boston fellow stated. City is separated from county. A lot of strange politics and identity issues.

Not a Good Place

By A Yahoo! Contributor, 05/23/07

Wow. It absolutely shocks me that a fellow Denverite would refer to STL as "Clean." How drunk were you? Did you leave your hotel room? Other than Memphis, this is the dirtiest, most aesthetically challenged city in America.

Yes, after spending a week here I would have to concur unequivocally with the majority of VISITORS' opinions....this town is old, decrepit, and best forgotten. It is truly stuck in the "olden days" with its narrow-minded, uneducated and racist mentality. Possibly some of the laziest people in America reside here. I truly feel sorry for the NATIVES who blithely and blindly praise this hemmorhoid of humanity. Of course, they have likely never left. "Where'd you go to high school?" Wow. If that statement coupled with living in substandard urban conditions doesn't speak volumes about this chain-smoking simplistic paranoid joke of a town, I don't know what will. There's no vibrancy, no drive and no vivaciousness in the city.

Oh - but the traffic congestion is lower than most cities. Unfortunately, there's nowhere worth driving to! And yes, I have been to Chicago and it is VASTLY superior to St. Louis in every aspect.


There are dozens and dozens of reviews like these sadly. Most mention narrow-minded locals with no education who are suspicious of outsiders.



I suspect that a lot of these reviews are actually locals or expats with an axe to grind.

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