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PostJul 14, 2015#5526

Buried deep in the STLtoday news there is a mention that the cop in the CWE was black.

Here's what will and is already happening. Being a cop in an urban area will shift much like the NFL or boxing has over the years. That is, it's just too dangerous for white people. The police force will and is becoming increasingly black and Latino (in heavy Latino cities).

But here's the rub. People who do seriously dumb sh*t will still get shot by the police. Black people who do seriously dumb sh*t will still get shot by the police.

The good news for all of us is that the racial aspect will be increasingly removed and a racist society will be the scapegoat less and less.

Then all you have left is a long hard look in the mirror.

It's going to very interesting to watch.

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PostJul 14, 2015#5527

leeharveyawesome wrote: The police force will and is becoming increasingly black and Latino.
You mean like the actual demographics of the United States? It *would* be interesting if government officials looked like the people they serve. It'd also be interesting if Police weren't charge with enforcing silly vice laws written by non-demographic matching representatives that'd be better served in a legalized marketplace. Similarly it'd also be interesting if the rural and suburban areas weren't subsidy queens siphoning value away from urban areas.

I'm sorry, what was your point? Poor people commit a disproportionate number of crimes and are disproportionately minority?

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PostJul 14, 2015#5528

^ Dude, don't waste your time. You're challenging a guy who is transparently, excitedly waiting for the day "those people" are forced to take "a long hard look in the mirror."

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PostJul 15, 2015#5529

Greatest St. Louis wrote:^ Dude, don't waste your time. You're challenging a guy who is transparently, excitedly waiting for the day "those people" are forced to take "a long hard look in the mirror."
Dude, even when nobody says "those people" somehow in your wack brain you imagine that they did. Who's delusional here?

PostJul 15, 2015#5530

I'm talking about the people like the guy (I don't know if he was white black or what) who showed up with sign after this morning that said "How does it feel?"

That's who I'm talking about. That's a person who's mind is rotten with some sort of cultural sickness.

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PostJul 15, 2015#5531

No doubt about it. That cultural sickness is called racism... poverty... segregation... disenfranchisement... etc...

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PostJul 15, 2015#5532

Four more people shot last night. Dozens of bullets fired, maybe hundreds. We have a gun crisis.

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PostJul 15, 2015#5533

All those guns bought during the Ferguson unrest are finally ending up on the street.

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PostJul 15, 2015#5534

Greatest St. Louis wrote:^ Dude, don't waste your time. You're challenging a guy who is transparently, excitedly waiting for the day "those people" are forced to take "a long hard look in the mirror."
I waited 8 hours in line to see Star Wars Episode 1. I am no stranger to patience in the face of disappointment.

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PostJul 15, 2015#5535

Ha..greatest St. Louis fabricates "those people" comment...Unreal, this person is just looking to "gotcha" someone and will lie to do it...From here on out Greatest, your posts mean nothing to me...

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PostJul 15, 2015#5536

leeharvey goes on a heinously othering tirade about how hopefully someday the police will more be blacks and latinos, so that someday all those mired in crime and poverty have left is a long, hard look in the mirror. Then I get attacked for "fabricating" what he said about "those people."

At least a couple of people in this thread seem to be having some issues coming to grips with their true inner feelings. It's okay, guys.

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PostJul 16, 2015#5537

I'll celebrate once crime has significantly been reduced..So until that happens i'll refrain from breaking out the champagne! In the meantime while some have been criticizing this guys actions who decided to stay on a billboard until our great City can go a week without a homicide i truly applaud him. I don't see any of our leaders in the region trying to do such a thing. He's a brave man for the conditions that are out there. Sadly the way things are going he'll be up there for sometime.

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PostJul 16, 2015#5538

I don't see any of our leaders in the region trying to do such a thing. He's a brave man for the conditions that are out there.
That's your idea of "leadership"? Oh, brother.

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PostJul 16, 2015#5539

leeharveyawesome wrote: The good news for all of us is that the racial aspect will be increasingly removed and a racist society will be the scapegoat less and less.
I have no idea what this means.
St.Louis1764 wrote:I'll celebrate once crime has significantly been reduced..So until that happens i'll refrain from breaking out the champagne! In the meantime while some have been criticizing this guys actions who decided to stay on a billboard until our great City can go a week without a homicide i truly applaud him. I don't see any of our leaders in the region trying to do such a thing. He's a brave man for the conditions that are out there. Sadly the way things are going he'll be up there for sometime.
Well, let's be fair. We should consider the possibility that Slay is not camping on a billboard, not because he doesn't feel like it, but because he doesn't think it would do anything to reduce homicides.

I applaud the man's convictions in raising awareness of crime, but I don't think our problem is lack of awareness.

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PostJul 16, 2015#5540

I applaud the man's convictions in raising awareness of crime, but I don't think our problem is lack of awareness.
Oh, this man is "raising awareness" alright.

Raising awareness for himself and his billboards.

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PostJul 19, 2015#5541

Overnight homicides in downtown, Soulard and North City.

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PostJul 19, 2015#5542

I'm not saying that theres not much awareness however our elected leaders need to show more urgency and compassion Get out into the streets not only when its close to becoming re-election time. It's embarrassing to say right now. City County St.Charles Jefferson Madison St.Clair Counties are all effected by our ever growing homicide rate. I know its a daunting task however what resources the city has isn't enough and is very little. It's almost a lost cause! We should just let the thugs battle it out until they are all extinct.

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PostJul 20, 2015#5544

Alderman Jeffrey Boyd is what Saint.Louis needs more of. I agree with him 100% these people that go out and cause trouble make absolutely all the excuse's to go out and create trouble. They say they want jobs i agree theres jobs you just aren't going to get paid 15 an hour as you aren't suppose to most of us start from the bottom and work our way up they should too. also agree theres a lot to do in the city county in fact theres a lot to do in our entire region.

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PostJul 20, 2015#5545

Excellent editorial in yesterday's Post Dispatch arguing cities should have the right to pass their own gun laws to be responsible for their own protection. Castle Doctrine for Cities. The laws being forced on cities by the MOLEG may work in rural Missouri, but they aren't working in the cities. The law that voters passed to allow felons to have guns failed in St. Louis City, St. Louis County, and Jackson County in KC, but was forced on them anyway since it was a state-wide law.



http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/co ... 7f04c.html

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PostJul 20, 2015#5546

^ I agree however I'm not so sure how much that would help Saint Louis in the short term at least.... despite the same statewide laws, KC was able to drive down homicides significantly in 2014 and has kept it down while we've been spinning out of control.

About this time in 2013 the two cities had roughly the same amount of homicides but things have diverged greatly since then.

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PostJul 20, 2015#5547

roger wyoming II wrote:^ I agree however I'm not so sure how much that would help Saint Louis in the short term at least.... despite the same statewide laws, KC was able to drive down homicides significantly in 2014 and has kept it down while we've been spinning out of control.

About this time in 2013 the two cities had roughly the same amount of homicides but things have diverged greatly since then.
I was always under the impression that Kansas City has had significantly fewer homicides per year than St. Louis, so this is news to me. I'm not being snarky or smartallecky, I honestly didn't know.

What has changed since 2013 for one or both places? Anyone have theories?

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PostJul 20, 2015#5548

^ That gets into the statistics side of things and the argument that STL should combine with the County on reported numbers (which I don't agree with): KC has always had a significantly lower homicide rate but the overall #s were roughly the same not too long ago. In 2012 we had 113 I believe and KC had 106; in '13 again we had about the same at this time but we then we began our increase and wound up with 120 and they had 100. This year so far I think we have around 105 and they have 39.

I'm sure the reasons why this divergence has happened are complex but city officials did visit KC earlier this year to look at what their doing there and a sort of good cop/bad cop program designed at early intervention and targeting the worst offenders and their associates.

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PostJul 20, 2015#5549

KC still has a very high homicide rate, so I don't know if its decline relative to StL means anything to the gun control debate. Even with the reduction, KC's murder rate is much closer to Bogota than Berlin.

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PostJul 20, 2015#5550

With murder getting out of hand, some members of the city's crop of new aldermen are joining voices and calling for the creation of a robust public safety plan for the City of St. Louis.

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