It's mostly the soliciting, but there are also normally men standing at the top of the stairs leading down to the Metrolink platform, usually smoking and blocking the way through. The whole situation makes me uncomfortable. I'm never uncomfortable at Shrewsbury station, getting on or off the train or bus.STL_w_STYLE wrote:Is it the black men that are scary, or is it the fact that they are soliciting around the ticket consoles?Ebsy wrote:I have said before that the Forest Park Debaliviere station is really scary, especially if you need to buy a Metrolink ticket. There is always a group of black men crowding around the ticket consoles trying to sell expired transfers, and it makes me super uncomfortable. I use the station twice a week, but if I could get off at Skinker, I would.
Perhaps I will do that in the future. I ride it to volunteer at the History Museum, so it isn't too far out of the way to cross to the other side of Debaliviere.quincunx wrote:Just heard some gunfire a few minutes ago. Just as loud as the ones last night.
I usually enter and exit via the west staircase. There aren't people hanging around at the top of the steps.
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Call the policeEbsy wrote:It's mostly the soliciting, but there are also normally men standing at the top of the stairs leading down to the Metrolink platform, usually smoking and blocking the way through. The whole situation makes me uncomfortable. I'm never uncomfortable at Shrewsbury station, getting on or off the train or bus.STL_w_STYLE wrote:Is it the black men that are scary, or is it the fact that they are soliciting around the ticket consoles?Ebsy wrote:I have said before that the Forest Park Debaliviere station is really scary, especially if you need to buy a Metrolink ticket. There is always a group of black men crowding around the ticket consoles trying to sell expired transfers, and it makes me super uncomfortable. I use the station twice a week, but if I could get off at Skinker, I would.
It's not "scary" because I'm some fraidy cat white person. But it's frigging annoying. The number of people standing around, smoking and blocking the way just makes the station really unfriendly. The simple act of getting down to the platform is far more challenging than it should be.Ebsy wrote:It's mostly the soliciting, but there are also normally men standing at the top of the stairs leading down to the Metrolink platform, usually smoking and blocking the way through. The whole situation makes me uncomfortable. I'm never uncomfortable at Shrewsbury station, getting on or off the train or bus.STL_w_STYLE wrote:Is it the black men that are scary, or is it the fact that they are soliciting around the ticket consoles?Ebsy wrote:I have said before that the Forest Park Debaliviere station is really scary, especially if you need to buy a Metrolink ticket. There is always a group of black men crowding around the ticket consoles trying to sell expired transfers, and it makes me super uncomfortable. I use the station twice a week, but if I could get off at Skinker, I would.
Also: the number of people who go up/come down the stairs on the left hand side always baffles me here.
eee123 wrote:That station seems in obvious need of more security. It's gotta be the sketchiest of any Metrolink station (not counting ones in north city/ESL, which I've never had occasion to use).quincunx wrote:I could hear the gun fire from my house
KMOV - Man shot while waiting for MetroLink
http://www.kmov.com/news/editors-pick/M ... 45751.htmlPolice say a 25-year-old man was shot while waiting for the MetroLink in the 200 block of Debaliviere Saturday night.
Read more: http://www.kmov.com/news/editors-pick/M ... z3PBdTjAnw
Wellston is pretty bad too.
I don't appreciate being asked if I smoke pot either.
Then there's the moment when you take the first step and wonder what if one of those guys pushed me down the stairs?
Then there's the moment when you take the first step and wonder what if one of those guys pushed me down the stairs?
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Murders in Creve Coeur, North City and South City in the past 24 hours and no mention on this thread? We must be numb at this point. Or, its the new normal.
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Several people from my school were in St Louis this weekend for a cheer competition. Twitter blew up with how they heard gunfire at least 5 separate times. Awesome way to welcome people to our city.
However, just a question. Is it possible for Slay to be removed from office before an election? He's not doing anything of value to help curb this. If he cared, he'd most likely be in these communities trying to help them.
However, just a question. Is it possible for Slay to be removed from office before an election? He's not doing anything of value to help curb this. If he cared, he'd most likely be in these communities trying to help them.
I think recalling Slay would do little to help the current situation...
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Slay should corner a different billionaire every day and sit on him until he agrees to invest millions into the city.
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Homicide is to crime like the Super Bowl is to football. It gets a lot of hype and attention. But the big deterrent to St. louis city living is the day to day nuisance crimes like this travesty. This example is more than a nuisance because a 20 year old girl in the CWE got killed.
http://m.stltoday.com/news/local/crime- ... touch=true
http://m.stltoday.com/news/local/crime- ... touch=true
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http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crim ... /21234739/
Perhaps St. Louis isn't alone, but it's still troubling.
Perhaps St. Louis isn't alone, but it's still troubling.
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^^ for the record, this young woman was riding in the car that was stolen a couple days earlier from the couple in the CWE and was killed in the accident elsewhere in the city, Lewis Place. Although they haven't connected it, the media have reported on several eye-browsing events within a few blocks in the Lewis Place neighborhood over the course of a couple days.... Hopefully these are connected and will end with this incident.
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...what?roger wyoming II wrote:eye-browsing events
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^ not enough coffee... eye-brow raising events.
edit... here is a story for what I mean:
ST. LOUIS • A motorist was chased and shot Saturday night after driving around a stopped vehicle in St. Louis.
According to police, an 18-year-old woman was driving a car with four adult occupants southbound on Taylor Avenue at 9:30 p.m. when they came to a stopped car at Lewis Place. The car wasn't moving, so the woman attempted to drive around it.
The vehicle then sped up and attempted to run them off the road, police said. A passenger in the suspect's vehicle started firing gunshots, hitting the female driver in the bottom lip.
She was taken to a hospital, where her condition was not available. Police said she was stable. No one else was injured.
The scene was not far from where a man told police he was shot in the hand while walking down the street. He said a man in a car shot him about 8:10 p.m.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... 8a818.html
edit: This all happened I believe just a few blocks away from the fatal accident the following night. I wouldn't be surprised by a connection.
edit... here is a story for what I mean:
ST. LOUIS • A motorist was chased and shot Saturday night after driving around a stopped vehicle in St. Louis.
According to police, an 18-year-old woman was driving a car with four adult occupants southbound on Taylor Avenue at 9:30 p.m. when they came to a stopped car at Lewis Place. The car wasn't moving, so the woman attempted to drive around it.
The vehicle then sped up and attempted to run them off the road, police said. A passenger in the suspect's vehicle started firing gunshots, hitting the female driver in the bottom lip.
She was taken to a hospital, where her condition was not available. Police said she was stable. No one else was injured.
The scene was not far from where a man told police he was shot in the hand while walking down the street. He said a man in a car shot him about 8:10 p.m.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... 8a818.html
edit: This all happened I believe just a few blocks away from the fatal accident the following night. I wouldn't be surprised by a connection.
If this is the new normal we're pretty screwed. For the past six months or so we've experienced a level of consistent gun violence not seen since the early 90's when pretty much all of urban America was in a crisis. If this doesn't calm down we very well could break 200 murders and see the highest murder rate in our modern history.mattonarsenal wrote:Murders in Creve Coeur, North City and South City in the past 24 hours and no mention on this thread? We must be numb at this point. Or, its the new normal.
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And yet, you hear nothing from our leaders. I wonder why...seriously...
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Yep. It's gotten bad enough that my wife has succumbed to the fear and we're considering moving away from the area entirely. She actually suggested moving closer to my family, 4 hours away from STL. I know we're not the only ones considering such a move. It sucks. It sucks. It sucks. Worst part is, does anyone have a rational, reasonable, quick fix for the situation?roger wyoming II wrote:If this is the new normal we're pretty screwed. For the past six months or so we've experienced a level of consistent gun violence not seen since the early 90's when pretty much all of urban America was in a crisis. If this doesn't calm down we very well could break 200 murders and see the highest murder rate in our modern history.mattonarsenal wrote:Murders in Creve Coeur, North City and South City in the past 24 hours and no mention on this thread? We must be numb at this point. Or, its the new normal.
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I understand Ricke002. My problem is our elected leaders won't step up....a total lack of quality leadership is killing this state, city, metro area...
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To me, all of this crime, illustrates the bold and fearless nature of these thugs, that they can drive around the City, in vehicles stolen not far from where they are driving/joy-riding. It seems as if they can get away with this type of criminal activity, with no recourse. I truly believe that Ferguson has emboldened criminals. There is no fear and no respect. It is becoming an epidemic. I think we are going to lose population more than projected, as long as this continues. We are seeing this spill into the burbs. When that happens, you see people panic even more, becoming more likely to leave the metro area, not just the City, as Rick said he may do. That is discouraging. The petty BS crimes seem to be at on the increase. What is taking so long with regards to establishing the 'City Gun Docket'? What is taking so long for lawmakers to make illegal gun offenders pay a STEEP price for offending. If you take a criminal off the streets that thinks its ok to shoot randomly, rob and steal at gunpoint, your probably preventing multiple future crimes. When is this sharp increase in crime going to be addressed in the court system??! 160 extra cops will be nice, but we need to keep repeat offenders off of the streets. The Drury killer, while not from this area, had a history and should have been locked up. 3 strikes your out is better than innocent people dying day in and day out. Think about this. 2 guys engaged in gun-play at 11 AM, in Bevo yesterday. Imagine if you were riding your bike, walking your dog, etc. . . in that area. This stuff should not be happening in broad daylight in decent to nice areas of the City. (much less at night or at all). Friends in the area tell me that the large apt buildings on MorganFord between Chippewa and Delor, are the issue. They hear shots many nights a week. How is that area not a target for 'hot spot ' policing?? It is unreal! Someone just got hammered to death and not too long ago, a STL Symphony musician was gunned down at Delor and MorganFord. I think that area needs attention... sorry... I'm ranting today!!
Leadership has failed!
Leadership has failed!
Judges are getting more scrutiny. Would have been useful before the election last Nov. Did anyone else look up who voted against the gun docket before voting?
KMOX - St. Louis Judges Live in Neighborhoods Beyond the Blood and Bullets
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2015/01/20/ ... d-bullets/
KMOX - St. Louis Judges Live in Neighborhoods Beyond the Blood and Bullets
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2015/01/20/ ... d-bullets/
We have to punish crime HARD. Let police have the right to stop anyone and search them. Follow New York's model from years ago.
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Pat, I agree. Get harsh and quit worrying about what people say and think. Get the streets cleaned up!
But what are our metro leaders supposed to do, aside from hire more police?
Ultimately, you can't stop homicide, because you can't babysit each potential murderer and magically swoop down and intervene when they don't go out and kill.
There's three solutions: 1) simply keep violent people off the streets, 2) beef up policing to the point where criminals think it's not worth it and move somewhere else, and 3) try to attack the social/economic causes of crime/drug/gang activity.
The first solution is difficult, because ultimately, that decision rests in the hands of our judicial system. The mayor/aldermen aren't elected judges. But they can pass laws themselves and/or pressure the state to make it easier to hand out longer sentences for violent people. The gun court proposal probably isn't a bad idea.
The second seems to have worked in NYC, but especially in the wake of Ferguson, implementing more police and "stop n' frisk" strategies is going to be a near political impossibility. And I have to admit that it is on the border of what is constitutional and what is not.
The third is systemic to our nation, and there's very little local leaders can do about it. How is St. Louis city supposed to change the nation's laws that make it economically desirable to ship low-skilled labor overseas, that make it difficult for poor people to ever own equity in even a small house, and save for a retirement? You have a bunch of people sitting around with no way to get a job, nothing to lose, and even if they do get a job, the pay is so terrible and the benefits so miniscule that you're better off living a life of crime (at least in the short-term).
So the third solution is kind of beyond the scope of what local leaders can do. And the first two will be insanely difficult due to city politics. But at least the first two are possible. The problem is that this area seems to be an easy place to live and get by if you're a violent criminal. Too many parts are just like the wild, wild west. No enforcement, no neighborhood infrastructure, no consequences, no incentives. Just do what you want, and disappear into some vacant urban wasteland like those guys did after shooting that kid downtown and fleeing to East St. Louis, and running into the empty warehouse area. Each municipality here takes the attitude of "screw the other guy, we're just going to batten down our hatches and watch the North/East/South side collapse. But you can't really batten down your hatches, and the lack of cooperation basically creates a bunch of nice bases of operation for criminals to plague the entire area.
Ultimately, you can't stop homicide, because you can't babysit each potential murderer and magically swoop down and intervene when they don't go out and kill.
There's three solutions: 1) simply keep violent people off the streets, 2) beef up policing to the point where criminals think it's not worth it and move somewhere else, and 3) try to attack the social/economic causes of crime/drug/gang activity.
The first solution is difficult, because ultimately, that decision rests in the hands of our judicial system. The mayor/aldermen aren't elected judges. But they can pass laws themselves and/or pressure the state to make it easier to hand out longer sentences for violent people. The gun court proposal probably isn't a bad idea.
The second seems to have worked in NYC, but especially in the wake of Ferguson, implementing more police and "stop n' frisk" strategies is going to be a near political impossibility. And I have to admit that it is on the border of what is constitutional and what is not.
The third is systemic to our nation, and there's very little local leaders can do about it. How is St. Louis city supposed to change the nation's laws that make it economically desirable to ship low-skilled labor overseas, that make it difficult for poor people to ever own equity in even a small house, and save for a retirement? You have a bunch of people sitting around with no way to get a job, nothing to lose, and even if they do get a job, the pay is so terrible and the benefits so miniscule that you're better off living a life of crime (at least in the short-term).
So the third solution is kind of beyond the scope of what local leaders can do. And the first two will be insanely difficult due to city politics. But at least the first two are possible. The problem is that this area seems to be an easy place to live and get by if you're a violent criminal. Too many parts are just like the wild, wild west. No enforcement, no neighborhood infrastructure, no consequences, no incentives. Just do what you want, and disappear into some vacant urban wasteland like those guys did after shooting that kid downtown and fleeing to East St. Louis, and running into the empty warehouse area. Each municipality here takes the attitude of "screw the other guy, we're just going to batten down our hatches and watch the North/East/South side collapse. But you can't really batten down your hatches, and the lack of cooperation basically creates a bunch of nice bases of operation for criminals to plague the entire area.
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I guess when your police are afraid to"police" this is what we get?