http://www.kmov.com/news/crime/Violent- ... 55011.html
Another misleading head line from KMOV the regions best source of sensationalized news.
Another misleading head line from KMOV the regions best source of sensationalized news.
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Poverty has nothing to do with a persons ethnic background it has everything to with the accessibility of resources such as transportation jobs good education good family manners/upbringing.I don't care if you are deja blue purple martin golden eagle if you aren't wanting to put fourths the effort in being responsible for your own life and actions then this is what we all will deal with lazy people who feed off the government then again the government seems to like being in control of peoples lives who depend on them. Where's the 13 yr old parents in all of this? Pretty much a baby having another baby. This is why i don't condone all that MTV stuff about I'm 15 and pregnant its the furthest from being educational. Sadly the attorney has to suffer in pain while these teens will likely get off easy as usual.
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Exactly how is the headline misleading? Because it paints downtown in a negative light? It seems that's exactly what it takes to get the mayor and the police chief to show that they give the slightest damn.True_dope wrote:http://www.kmov.com/news/crime/Violent- ... 55011.html
Another misleading head line from KMOV the regions best source of sensationalized news.
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I don't think it is necessarily misleading as there indeed is a concern about a recent increase in gun/violent crimes downtown, but the story is rather careless as it gives overall city numbers rather than a downtown specific number... if you didn't know better-- and most people don't -- you could easily think there were 20 more murders downtown at this point in the year than last year.threeonefour wrote:Exactly how is the headline misleading? Because it paints downtown in a negative light? It seems that's exactly what it takes to get the mayor and the police chief to show that they give the slightest damn.True_dope wrote:http://www.kmov.com/news/crime/Violent- ... 55011.html
Another misleading head line from KMOV the regions best source of sensationalized news.
For a variety of reasons, unfortunately you can't expect the media to report properly that downtown overall is a safe neighborhood but crimes can and do happen there as with any other big city and sometimes spikes happen.
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It provided no figures on violent crime downtown. Its horridly misleading. But what else would you expect from a fear mongering news site like KMOV.threeonefour wrote:Exactly how is the headline misleading? Because it paints downtown in a negative light? It seems that's exactly what it takes to get the mayor and the police chief to show that they give the slightest damn.True_dope wrote:http://www.kmov.com/news/crime/Violent- ... 55011.html
Another misleading head line from KMOV the regions best source of sensationalized news.
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^ I'm just surprised we're not all dead from Ebola.
I have no problem with the headline in this instance either. Whatever it takes to get addressing crime downtown on the front burner of those who are charged with allocating resources to protect/maintain livability.
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Downtown is in far much better condition than what it was in the 80s and 90s . I personally don't find downtown to be dangerous at all just some very unfortunate things that have happened but thats with any downtown. I would think boomers are more afraid to venture downtown than someone in their 20s 30s 40s.
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the day of the first attack and today somewhere between 250,000-300,000 (cumulative) people walked somewhere downtown (parking lot, work etc) and 2 got attacked...i like my chances of not getting attacked.
Huh? That is what "prejudice" means?downtown2007 wrote:Actually it means it is a deeply troubled individual that is a menace to society regardless of race.
Crimes, robberies and unfortunately, homicide, occur in downtowns all across America.
People should do some Googling.
It's not too difficult to find recent articles involving violent and other crimes in other major city downtowns.
People should do some Googling.
It's not too difficult to find recent articles involving violent and other crimes in other major city downtowns.
Why is so much effort put into changing the perception of downtown and STL as dangerous instead of changing the fact that violent crime is a problem? The perception argument is the dumbest argument.
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How come it doesnt happen as much in Canada?arch city wrote:Crimes, robberies and unfortunately, homicide, occur in downtowns all across America.
People should do some Googling.
It's not too difficult to find recent articles involving violent and other crimes in other major city downtowns.
Guns, drugs, and poverty in no particular order.dbInSouthCity wrote:How come it doesnt happen as much in Canada?arch city wrote:Crimes, robberies and unfortunately, homicide, occur in downtowns all across America.
People should do some Googling.
It's not too difficult to find recent articles involving violent and other crimes in other major city downtowns.
To the above comments my career takes me on a constant rotation through Midwest cities: Chicago, Kansas City, Indy, Omaha, Des Moines, Memphis, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, etc. This issue is in no way exclusive to St Louis. The gun violence issue is everywhere and its awful.
Omaha has daily shootings and is considerably smaller. Early this summer I was in KC and there was a gun fight at the zoo. 9 people got shot in the popular Broadripple area in Indy, Chicago shootings are a constant...
St Louis is very hard on itself which is fine, but we all need some perspective. The grass is not always greener in other areas. I also firmly believe the issue is magnified here because of the city/county split and all the tiny municipalities. It leads to finger pointing and an attitude of "well it didn't happen in my backyard" ambivalence when the reality is the crime happened a few miles away but across one of these imaginary borders we've constructed.
I'm bullish on downtown and St Louis in general and I refuse to get caught up in the moment and let these recent incidents change that. The last 10 years I've spent in the city are not reflective of the crap we are inundated with on the local news.
Omaha has daily shootings and is considerably smaller. Early this summer I was in KC and there was a gun fight at the zoo. 9 people got shot in the popular Broadripple area in Indy, Chicago shootings are a constant...
St Louis is very hard on itself which is fine, but we all need some perspective. The grass is not always greener in other areas. I also firmly believe the issue is magnified here because of the city/county split and all the tiny municipalities. It leads to finger pointing and an attitude of "well it didn't happen in my backyard" ambivalence when the reality is the crime happened a few miles away but across one of these imaginary borders we've constructed.
I'm bullish on downtown and St Louis in general and I refuse to get caught up in the moment and let these recent incidents change that. The last 10 years I've spent in the city are not reflective of the crap we are inundated with on the local news.
Although I don't know that to be the case, Canada is quasi-socialist.dbInSouthCity wrote:How come it doesnt happen as much in Canada?
And despite the cloaked context of your question, Canada does have less poverty, less guns, universal healthcare, lower unemployment, higher educational attainment, affordable college plans etc. etc.
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Oh my Jesus Harold Christ on a ***** pogo stick.arch city wrote:Although I don't know that to be the case, Canada is quasi-socialist.dbInSouthCity wrote:How come it doesnt happen as much in Canada?
And despite the cloaked context of your question, Canada does have less poverty, less guns, universal healthcare, lower unemployment, higher education attainment, affordable college plans etc. etc.
If only the US government would mold, shape and bend the populous into a non-violent, educated, responsible and happy people like they do in Canada everything would be just fine! Because none of it has to do with the actual Canadian people!
Maybe all those people nearly killing themselves pouring across the southern US border are actually just passing through on their way to Canada.
I think I'll get some LaBatt's tonight come to think of it.
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http://www.vice.com/read/the-man-who-de ... etting-out
I still think about this whenever someone mentions crime in Canada. And the dude is getting out of jail.
I still think about this whenever someone mentions crime in Canada. And the dude is getting out of jail.
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I think we as St.Louis residents being hard on St.Louis isn't any different from any resident of any other city on this planet. People simply want there city to be the best city. St.Louis has dropped so far that the only way to go is up. Right now we're at a point of right direction. Crime isn't just confined to the city its all over. The media has done a good job as painting St.Louis as this city that nothing positive is happening here. I can say the one thing i admire about Canada they seem to take better care of their citizens than what America does about its own albeit a much small population compared to ours.
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Shh. We're supposed to perpetuate the myth that Canada is a perfect paradise, right?stlhistory wrote:http://www.vice.com/read/the-man-who-de ... etting-out
I still think about this whenever someone mentions crime in Canada. And the dude is getting out of jail.
If I may wander back to the subject of the KMOV headline about crime in downtown, I don't think it was a misleading headline so much as lazy journalism. The story pointed out that there have been some disturbing crimes in downtown lately. That, of course, is true, but then they cite statistics for the city overall to make their case. Seriously, how hard would it have been for KMOV to go to the SLMPD and get some updated numbers for Downtown and Downtown West?
As I said before, however, the reason I don't have a problem with the story is because it seems that negative press is the only thing that spurs the mayor and police chief into any sort of action. I don't think St. Louis is somehow unique as other cities have their own fair share of crime- even in downtown areas. However, it seems that the default strategy of our so-called leaders to manage the perception game is to ignore crime until it simply becomes impossible to ignore.
I don't get how you infer prejudice comments from others about pregnant thugs but happily label all Canadians as quasi socialists.arch city wrote:Although I don't know that to be the case, Canada is quasi-socialist.dbInSouthCity wrote:How come it doesnt happen as much in Canada?
And despite the cloaked context of your question, Canada does have less poverty, less guns, universal healthcare, lower unemployment, higher educational attainment, affordable college plans etc. etc.
That's confusing!
To be fair, we're quasi socialist as well. Social Security, Medicare, public primary and secondary education, public universities, public libraries, infrastructure spending are all socialist programs, with the first four being pretty clear redistributions of wealth.
http://www.slmpd.org/crimestats/CRM0013-BY_201410.pd
last months crime numbers are out crime downtown is down by 3% and downtown west is down by 7%
and over all city crime is down by 8%
last months crime numbers are out crime downtown is down by 3% and downtown west is down by 7%
and over all city crime is down by 8%