A new wrinkle in this whole thing is the internet and social media. As we know, facts and "news" are more or less filtered to fit a person's perspective. If it gets all over Twitter that he had a sandwich and didn't fire a shot at an officer well then he had a sandwich.
It takes a lot of brains to be able process and manage your life and emotions with social media nowadays. I'm not sure we are often dealing with people who have the faculties to deal with it. Social media is also a great way to have a little mini looting party.
You can bet that this latest crisis will not go to waste. Keep a close eye on South Grand tonight.
St. Louis in the national news yet again for the worst possible reason. I don't think there is any question that this negative press is setting St. Louis' revitalization back big time. Before these incidents, it seemed like St. Louis was really beginning to hit its stride, alongside other resurgent cities like Pittsburgh, Cleveland and Cincinnati. I fear that these cities are poised to leave us in the dust in light of the terrible image that is being painted of our city. Very depressing, because we all love St. Louis so much and are working so hard to make it better.
stlgasm wrote:St. Louis in the national news yet again for the worst possible reason. I don't think there is any question that this negative press is setting St. Louis' revitalization back big time. Before these incidents, it seemed like St. Louis was really beginning to hit its stride, alongside other resurgent cities like Pittsburgh, Cleveland and Cincinnati. I fear that these cities are poised to leave us in the dust in light of the terrible image that is being painted of our city. Very depressing, because we all love St. Louis so much and are working so hard to make it better.
Well if the person didn't shot at the officer none of this would of happened. I don't think right now it would have to much of a impact especially as people learn that it wasn't a innocent youth, but a actually criminal, so i think if nothing more escalates , then it would fade rather quickly, i believe.
leeharveyawesome wrote:A new wrinkle in this whole thing is the internet and social media. As we know, facts and "news" are more or less filtered to fit a person's perspective. If it gets all over Twitter that he had a sandwich and didn't fire a shot at an officer well then he had a sandwich...
You can bet that this latest crisis will not go to waste. Keep a close eye on South Grand tonight.
Social media is crazy and is a new wrinkle.... Anonymous irresponsibly posting completely false info about the supposed Ferguson cop & supposed family members of the mayor and I'm sure thousands of DW supporters still believe he had a broken eye socket 'cause there's a ghastly picture to prove it! etc., etc.... but rumor has been around since the ages; white mobs have killed/lynched hundreds of blacks in our nation's history through false rumor.
As for keeping an eye on S. Grand/Shaw, I think last night's events were confirmation that STLMPD knows how to handle things a bit better than the Jackson/Belmar disaster that escalated the Ferguson tension. I have no idea what is to come, and I believe hundreds already were planning to come to Ferguson this weekend from across the country... I'm sure we'll see the Chicago Marxists and other white anarchists again trying to take advantage... but I do feel more comfortable with our leadership's ability to handle tension.
i,Iive,to,draw wrote: Well if the person didn't shot at the officer none of this would of happened. I don't think right now it would have to much of a impact especially as people learn that it wasn't a innocent youth, but a actually criminal, so i think if nothing more escalates , then it would fade rather quickly, i believe.
Hopefully so.... I think the problem though is that there is a basic lack of trust b/w police and much of the community right now and unlike the Powell incident, there weren't any reliable witnesses at the scene to quickly back up the essential account of the police. But again unlike Ferguson, its good that Dotson is getting the info out there as much as possible so hopefully that will help ease things.
As someone who is disgusted by the racist trologdytes yelling "get a job" at the protesters downtown I am equally as disgusted with the professional protesters who descended on Shaw last night based on stupid social media reports.
It seems like the loudest aholes who jump to conclusions get all the press and since everyone wants to be famous there is nothing to be gained by taking the time to examine each incident on its own merits.
Nope, it's either the cops are perfect and no one should ever question them or they are always wrong and they can never defend themselves.
We were watching this woman's live stream of this protest and she wasn't even from St.Louis, she was from California. A bunch of the people protesting had no idea where they were on Grand, but continued to chant "this is our streets"
leeharveyawesome wrote:It's the headline on Drudge and the top trending national topic on Twitter.
Of course it's the headline on Drudge. The number one website of racists, birthers and others who think the world is coming to an end because it's not 1958 anymore.
The cop did his job....They have the gun in evidence and 3 bullets. This kid is/was a thug and some liberal-minded judge lowered his bail from a previous violent crime because it was "too excessive." I'm not sorrry this man is dead, he was a menace to society. And I love how all his relatives come to his defense as if he were a model citizen...BS...Where were they when he first started hanging out with the wrong people...Probably living their own selfish lives of drugs, sex and violence.
Alright sympathizers, come to his aid and explain to me how this kids demise is:
sirshankalot wrote:The cop did his job....They have the gun in evidence and 3 bullets. This kid is/was a thug and some liberal-minded judge lowered his bail from a previous violent crime because it was "too excessive." I'm not sorrry this man is dead, he was a menace to society. And I love how all his relatives come to his defense as if he were a model citizen...BS...Where were they when he first started hanging out with the wrong people...Probably living their own selfish lives of drugs, sex and violence.
Alright sympathizers, come to his aid and explain to me how this kids demise is:
1) whitey's fault
2) my fault
3) the cop's fault
it's all BS...
If things went down like the Dotson says, there is nothing to talk about...its done. you need to think about getting professional help tho.
leeharveyawesome wrote:It's the headline on Drudge and the top trending national topic on Twitter.
Of course it's the headline on Drudge. The number one website of racists, birthers and others who think the world is coming to an end because it's not 1958 anymore.
Just pointing it out man. Also, used to be, even just 10 or 15 years, when someone threw around the accusations of "racism" it would produce shudders amongst nearly everyone, now it's just eyerolls. It has lost its teeth and everything has entered into an some strange absurd stratosphere of dumbness. It's really quite fascinating. There will be books someday.
^And I'm just pointing out why Drudge would have this incident as a top story. People who gravitate to that site tend to be gun hoarding right wing extremists hoping for a race war to prove their biases correct.
While the rest of us pray that the south side protests will fizzle when people realize this is NOT Michael Brown all over again these folks WANT riots on S. Grand.
Listen to 97.1FM sometime and hear all the ads for guns and gun related business. Then listen to the programs where listeners are told that Armageddon is coming in th form of "the others" and everyone needs to be armed to the teeth.
Like I said, I'm disgusted at those who reflexively hate the police and the professional protesters--and I'm equally disgusted at those egging them on for profit.
If the reports are accurate this kid had issues to begin with and by no means should anyone fire at the police. I cannot vouch for the victim in this instance and think the reports he had a sandwich are an absolute lie.
Is this normal? just one screenshot but its pages and pages of Police making 20K extra in OT....why not hire additional officers instead of having some make in OT as much as regular hours...just from a effectiveness standpoint...working 12-14 hour days few times a week i can imagine its hard to stay sharp.
good question.... you have to look at benefits and other overall costs to see the financial break-down. but having more police and less stressed ones seems like a plus. On the other hand, I'm sure many qualified officers need that kind of $$ to stick around so that is an issue as well.
sirshankalot wrote:The cop did his job....They have the gun in evidence and 3 bullets. This kid is/was a thug and some liberal-minded judge lowered his bail from a previous violent crime because it was "too excessive." I'm not sorrry this man is dead, he was a menace to society. And I love how all his relatives come to his defense as if he were a model citizen...BS...Where were they when he first started hanging out with the wrong people...Probably living their own selfish lives of drugs, sex and violence.
Alright sympathizers, come to his aid and explain to me how this kids demise is:
1) whitey's fault
2) my fault
3) the cop's fault
it's all BS...
If things went down like the Dotson says, there is nothing to talk about...its done. you need to think about getting professional help tho.
Agree with this. That post made me feel a little nauseous.
^ the first guy works 1105 hours of OT if my math is right....that's 4+ hours a day if he worked 5 days a week. he is either single or doesnt care much about family life...
Ferguson and South Grand are opposite sides of the same coin. Whites are leaving Ferguson and blacks are entering, while blacks are leaving South Grand and whites are entering. These shifting demographics explain why the protests have happened in these places and not in others. 'Control' of a neighborhood is at stake in the eyes of protestors. The locations of these events are not coincidental or random. Blacks feel themselves being pushed out of more desirable locations to locations that are less so and see their protests as a way to 'claim' these locations figuratively, if not actually. How else can you explain protestors at Cardinal games and symphony concerts in the central corridor about something that happened in a distant suburb with a completely separate government other than as a desperate realization by poor blacks that they continue to be pushed away from the centers of economic opportunity in metro St. Louis. The only thing that has changed is that those centers of opportunity are not necessarily beyond the borders of St. Louis city anymore.
MatthewHall wrote:Ferguson and South Grand are opposite sides of the same coin. Whites are leaving Ferguson and blacks are entering, while blacks are leaving South Grand and whites are entering. These shifting demographics explain why the protests have happened in these places and not in others. 'Control' of a neighborhood is at stake in the eyes of protestors. The locations of these events are not coincidental or random. Blacks feel themselves being pushed out of more desirable locations to locations that are less so and see their protests as a way to 'claim' these locations figuratively, if not actually. How else can you explain protestors at Cardinal games and symphony concerts in the central corridor about something that happened in a distant suburb with a completely separate government other than as a desperate realization by poor blacks that they continue to be pushed away from the centers of economic opportunity in metro St. Louis. The only thing that has changed is that those centers of opportunity are not necessarily beyond the borders of St. Louis city anymore.
did you see who was protesting on Grand last night? by the looks of the video on stltoday...it was mostly a white crowd...
This particular case is really disheartening. I feel like he very well may have shot at that officer, however...the seeds of mistrust between Black people and the police (not just here but everywhere) and on the heels of the Mike Brown fiasco makes it so its hard to trust what comes out in not only the media but from law enforcement. The possibility that he fired at that cop is a real one...but when we've just seen law enforcement be not so transparent in Ferguson and using a fair amount of dirty pool tactics as well, it makes it hard to swallow. There was not a lot of outrage with the Kaijeme Powell case. We ALL saw what happened. While some may disagree with lethal force...it can be understood and justified.
I think what a lot of black people should probably realize is that the police are not here to protect and serve...they are here to enforce the law. They have families to go home too. They are here to enforce the law and make it home at the end of the night. They are going to use lethal force if they see fit. Now what counts as legitimate danger? I'm not sure...maybe THAT'S a debate worth having. Could they have sedated Kaijeme Powell without lethal force? Possibly...Mike Brown? From what I've seen/heard I feel like he was indeed killed. This one? IF he shot at the officer, okay. But I feel like this is just a continued reaction from the Mike Brown fallout.
The protestors have done their job in my opinion. They've made everyone well aware of the case. At this point they are not accomplishing anything. They are only antagonizing. The awareness has been accomplished, I truly believe nothing much would have been made of the case if protestors and social media would not have been around. They did some good work...but its time to cut out all the protests, especially when there seems to be no plan of action following it. They're simply making noise at this point. There are people in from out of town...people that dont even live here contributing to it...which on its face isn't necessarily bad...but ther are different agendas in this protest bunch and THAT is worrisome.
I'm a Black guy in Florissant if any of that matters...just my opinion. I been lurking the forum for years, but I just never post.
Why "protesting" last night? Because they are millenials! and they are here to save the world, with or without facts or reality, one post, comment, link, tweet and protest at a time even when things are actually getting progressively worse but who cares we're millenials! and we're here to save the world!
Truth is, they were probably scared to be home alone last night.
