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jcity wrote:I'd love to see the number of people in city government per capita in St. Louis. How does it compare to other major cities? How does it even compare to st Charles, which I know is obviously different, the city of STL would obviously need more services, but I'd still like to see the comparison.

St.Charles County has about 1050 employees (according to the STLTODAY salary search and st.charles county 2014 budget) for 380,000 people

and the City of St.Louis

Updated February 2014. Search by name, department, position or salary range to see salary and overtime pay figures for the city of St. Louis' more than 5,000 employees in 2013.

roger wyoming II wrote:^ Not saying there isn't any room for staff reductions, but if we use apples to apples we'd see something a bit different with comparison to local government employment.

its not apples to apples but as someone that spent 18 months at City Hall, i can tell you there is plenty of fat to trim.

roger wyoming II wrote:^ Probably so. But to compare Saint Louis City employment with Saint Charles County employment is silly.

The gentleman that requested the comparison acknowledged that its a different animal but still wanted to see..

How does it even compare to st Charles, which I know is obviously different, the city of STL would obviously need more services, but I'd still like to see the comparison

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Does SLMPD have something like this?

http://kcmo.gov/police/wp-content/uploa ... -10-07.pdf

http://kcmo.gov/police/wp-content/uploa ... 31-131.pdf

I'm not sure comparisons to other cities would do any good either, but comparisons of St. Louis to similar-sized cities or even cities with similar challenges (like other Rust Belt cities with huge population losses) might be more helpful than comparisons to a suburban county with a similar number of people but vastly different demographics, geography, etc.

That said, I realize the concept of trimming the fat at City Hall to boost public safety is DOA. Ebsy is right- it would be political suicide for anyone who supports it. We are beholden to the Democratic Machine. I just believe that 'machine' is largely responsible for our city's decades-long freefall in population, the loss of many businesses, and our city's diminished national standing, although I realize there were many external factors (societal, public policy, etc.) that led to the decline as well.

dbInSouthCity wrote:Does SLMPD have something like this?

http://kcmo.gov/police/wp-content/uploa ... -10-07.pdf

http://kcmo.gov/police/wp-content/uploa ... 31-131.pdf

We have a homicide report that usually comes out every Monday but not always.... it also isn't as detailed. btw, if you'll notice, KC & STL City had almost identical homicides for the year to date a year ago... but things have gone dramatically different since then. About a 33% drop in KC and 30% rise in the STL for 2014 ytd. Let's hope the past 15 month spike is temporary and we can start to go down again.

Yes, st Charles and St. Louis city are obviously very different, but clearly some fat can be trimmed. I don't want people to lose their jobs but over 5,000 employees for 318,000 people seems excessive. I know Slay trimmed some departments several years ago, perhaps even longer now. We need more cameras all over downtown, similar to London so we can get these clowns causing problems locked up. Perhaps it would even deter criminals from bringing their drive-bys downtown. And perhaps some money can even go into sprucing up city hall itself. It's pretty rough when you walk in there.

jcity wrote:Yes, st Charles and St. Louis city are obviously very different, but clearly some fat can be trimmed. I don't want people to lose their jobs but over 5,000 employees for 318,000 people seems excessive. I know Slay trimmed some departments several years ago, perhaps even longer now. We need more cameras all over downtown, similar to London so we can get these clowns causing problems locked up. Perhaps it would even deter criminals from bringing their drive-bys downtown. And perhaps some money can even go into sprucing up city hall itself. It's pretty rough when you walk in there.

Agreed.

Even if I can admit real reform is probably DOA (Because Democratic Machine!), that doesn't mean it shouldn't happen.

Going back to the shooting yesterday downtown . Downtown shootings happen all the time In America and Canada until the shootings stop happing around the country everyday people would not go almost any downtown for the hell of it. The links are all from the last few days. Downtown shootings are not rare in America.

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/10/06/on ... n-shooting

http://blogs.windsorstar.com/news/winds ... n-shooting

http://abc7news.com/news/1-dead-2-hurt- ... ng/337386/

http://www.wral.com/one-killed-one-woun ... /14042830/

http://fox59.com/2014/10/05/impd-invest ... -downtown/

http://fox2now.com/2014/10/08/fatal-off ... -st-louis/ is it just me, or the criminals seem to be more brazen then usual?

For right now i don't believe the story about the sandwich...

Please no riots in Shaw, please no riots in Shaw, please no riots in Shaw...

i,Iive,to,draw wrote:For right now i don't believe the story about the sandwich...

What? You don't believe the suspect fired shots with a sandwich?

Perhaps it was a gun in the shape of a sandwich. Here we go again..

jcity wrote:Perhaps it was a gun in the shape of a sandwich. Here we go again..

No kidding. As I watch Dave Letterman in my failing efforts to get to sleep, KMOV breaks in with word that things escalated quickly, shots were fired, and KMOV's crews had to relocate to the intersection of Shaw Boulevard and Tower Grove Avenue.

Indeed...here we go again...

ETA: Police managed to calm the crowd and many people left the area. A press conference is minutes away @ SLMPD HQ.

I live on the other side of the park but took a stroll today thru Shaw.... noticed a small handmade sign in a residential window that read "Pray for Peace in Saint Louis."

Im so sick & tired of all these shootings gun violence & all varieties of violence ....

Im so sick of people blaming the police for their problems ... The police job is to protect & serve & if you bolt on a cop or shoot at a cop you are begging to reap what you sow..

Antonio French says these police involved shootings happen to often in our city what he fails to say that parents aren't being held responsible for their irresponsible kids being out in the streets committing crimes..

That most crimes in the city are black on black crimes.
Protest or not i just think the protesting alone has gotten absurd hasn't done anything but spark more anguish among people

These protesters haven't done anything but cause commotion throughout the region...
If you want to protest how about protest for peace & try respecting the police for crying out loud...
These thugs that go around doing there dirty business throughout the city get everything they deserve & i show no remorse in any choice words ...

Im done no more excuse's for these people