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KSDK - Wildwood debates gated subdivision ordinance

They believe locking the gates will help keep strangers away from the children, while cutting down on burglaries. The current ordinance does not allow gated subdivisions within the city.

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/20 ... /15813085/

threeonefour wrote:

downtown2007 wrote:NY Times: Perceptions haven't yet caught up to the large decreases in crime

It’s an unfortunate fact that media reporting on individual crimes yields a relentlessly dismal drumbeat of downbeat news. But even as each reported crime yields a story that is terrifying enough to shape our perceptions, the truth is that none of them tells us much about the broader trends. Far better to ignore the anecdotes and focus instead on the big picture, and the hard data tells us: There’s been a remarkable decline in crime.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/17/up ... &referrer=

My perception says the 32% increase in homicides in the City of St. Louis this year (as pointed out by RWII in a previous post to this thread) is an unfortunate reality and not an anecdote.

Reality also says homicides in STL are down over 80% since the 1980's Most people wouldn't know that.

downtown2007 wrote:Reality also says homicides in STL are down over 80% since the 1070's. Most people wouldn't know that.

Prove that statistic

This link shows the homicide rate is only 20% lower than the 70s. Rate is number of homicides/per person.

70s Rate: 45.6
2010 Rate : 38.1

Difference. 20% less

This link ends with 2011 so add this years increate into account and im not seeing where you got your number

http://nextstl.com/2013/01/understandin ... 1943-2011/

downtown2007 wrote:Reality also says homicides in STL are down over 80% since the 1070's. Most people wouldn't know that.

Apples to oranges. You can't compare Native American on Native American crime to that of post industrial... Just my two cents...

downtown2007 wrote:Reality also says homicides in STL are down over 80% since the 1070's. Most people wouldn't know that.

There were also 622k people in the city in 1970 and 452k residents by 1980. That brings a few things to mind: (1) Perhaps the high murder rate in the 1970s combined with other factors like affordable suburban housing, an overall increase in crimes other than murder, and most of all, forced desegregation of schools, contributed to the largest 10-year population exodus in city history, which occurred between 1970 and 1980? (2) I don't consider a 20% decrease to be all that significant- that is per capita- right? If so, then the population of the city fell faster than the homicide rate over the last 40 years. (3) St. Louis still has one of the highest per capita murder rates in the nation. No matter how one tries to spin the facts, that is the truth. We don't have Indianapolis' or Kansas City's expansive boundaries, and there are also cities that have a smaller physical footprint and a much higher, denser population like San Francisco and Boston that have less violent crime per capita. (4) What about neighborhoods? I'd love to see a murder map from 2014 compared to one from 40 years ago. I've been around St. Louis long enough to remember when there weren't so many homicides in the southside. I'm not excusing northside murders, in fact, I am trying to point out the opposite. It's not 'their' problem, it's our problem. So you'll have to forgive me if I think the police chief and mayor should take the recent and significant uptick in homicides more seriously.

bigmclargehuge wrote:

downtown2007 wrote:Reality also says homicides in STL are down over 80% since the 1070's. Most people wouldn't know that.

Prove that statistic

This link shows the homicide rate is only 20% lower than the 70s. Rate is number of homicides/per person.

70s Rate: 45.6
2010 Rate : 38.1

Difference. 20% less

This link ends with 2011 so add this years increate into account and im not seeing where you got your number

http://nextstl.com/2013/01/understandin ... 1943-2011/

Ha. 1070 was a typo. Silly iphone. The number is actually 60% according to the 1970 murder figure. Still a massive drop.

Yes believe it or not, we live in a safer city.

Reunited ’90s emo band Mineral have been on the road this month for what’s been a very successful reunion tour... But Mineral experienced a huge set back early this morning after a show in St. Louis, when they realized their tour van had been broken into. Mineral relayed the news this morning via social media:

ALERT: After our show this evening in St Louis at the Firebird we went to celebrate Chris’ birthday by going bowling at Flamingo Bowl. Shortly after 1am our van was broken into and all of our belongings were stolen. Thousands and thousands of dollars in personal electronics, a cash box with several shows worth of merch sales, clothing, invaluable intellectual property, and many many other items. Our rear cargo hold with most of the gear was thankfully left safe. The van was locked, we specifically paid to park in a well lit lot with an attendant. When we came out 30 min later, attendant was gone, locks popped off, and belongings gone.

...Here’s just some of the recent burglaries that have gone down in that area in the past year for touring acts rolling through the city (STL):
September 11, 2014: Field Vision, not once but twice
August 21, 2014: Traitors robbed in St. Louis; blame promoter
July 2, 2014: Felice Brothers Robbed in St. Louis; This Is Getting Ridiculous
June 25, 2014: Eyehategod Robbed In St. Louis, Thousands Taken
May 14, 2014: RIVERS OF NIHIL Suffer Van Break-In, Belongings Stolen
December 12, 2013: Seaway Robbed In St. Louis
April 16, 2013: Jeff Loomis Robbed in St. Louis, Asks for Donations to Continue Tour

http://www.vanyaland.com/2014/09/17/un- ... van-break/

Wow this guy had some courage. The reported lack of urgency on the part of police is disconcerting.

RFT - St. Louis Man Videotapes Street Fight, Gets Assaulted Himself; Police Respond, Shrug

"So we doubled back, and I started filming the SUV. We got about 30 seconds in before they realized we were filming and then they confronted us."

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyr ... _shrug.php

We need more citizens with the balls to do this. We also need citizens to refuse to accept the lack of action from the police.

the description of the woman as expressionless, and that she didn't try to get away while the three classy gentlemen were assaulting the cameraman, makes me think perhaps this was a gang initiation.

I saw on KMOV the story and 2/3 of the criminals been arrested and world on the street is they are beloved to be from Normandy but the woman in the car that was assaulted refused to press charges. But I think the person on the that recored will one the ones that touch him.

roger wyoming II wrote:^ Way beyond my knowledge.... do you know something from experience?!

experience? absolutely not. but i've seen video footage of gang initiations where the woman being beaten was expected to suck it up. the description in the RFT article just reminded me of such a scenario.

ugh this is not good,
http://www.stltoday.com/news/gunmen-men ... 4c683.html

Stories like that bring out the worst in racist commenters... one gets the feeling they like hearing about stuff that they can bend to fit their backward narratives

I agree that is why i don't look at the comments

Just a few blocks from where some of us live. F'ing awesome

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/crime/20 ... /16036807/

Apparently Alderman Antonio French is working on a bill in the Board of Aldermen to create a civilian review board for the City of St. Louis, dubbed the "Office of Civilian Oversight". According to what French posted on social media, he's working on it with the city's Aldermanic Black Caucus.

If memory serves, wasn't one of the conditions of the state's return of control of the SLMPD to the City be that there be NO civilian review board? And wasn't that why many activists at the time, including Jamala Rogers of the Organization for Black Struggle, opposed the proposed local control measure? So has French and the Black Caucus found some sort of work around?

And in the Board of Aldermen, aren't there more white aldermen than black? So why take this through the Black Caucus? Isn't this an issue of concern to all city residents, black and white?

Having a Black Caucus in the City of St. Louis is a good thing. But when it comes to matters of citywide concern, elected officials lining up by race seems to be divisive rather than unifying. If not so, then please explain.

Northside Neighbor wrote:And in the Board of Aldermen, aren't there more white aldermen than black? So why take this through the Black Caucus? Isn't this an issue of concern to all city residents, black and white?

Having a Black Caucus in the City of St. Louis is a good thing. But when it comes to matters of citywide concern, elected officials lining up by race seems to be divisive rather than unifying. If not so, then please explain.

i guess it's a matter of perspective; one could also view inaction by the white aldermen as divisive. having a citizen review board just makes sense, and the white aldermen are more than welcome to join the campaign. if they don't, then in my mind they are the ones being divisive.