And some people on this forum are in that boat too. Thats like saying. My girlfriend is super pretty, nice, donates to charity, helps local pet shetlers, but she has one minor flaw. . .she likes to murder people on the side. THis stat is the most visible stat nationwide. Potentialy Being branded the murder capital again sucks a$$threeonefour wrote:how long will the police chief insist that the overall crime rate is down so everything is awesome?
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Yup.... I became tired of all that "well we're so small and statistically our region is safer than most" crap a long time ago.
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I think that's a bad comparison.bigmclargehuge wrote:And some people on this forum are in that boat too. Thats like saying. My girlfriend is super pretty, nice, donates to charity, helps local pet shetlers, but she has one minor flaw. . .she likes to murder people on the side. THis stat is the most visible stat nationwide. Potentialy Being branded the murder capital again sucks a$$threeonefour wrote:how long will the police chief insist that the overall crime rate is down so everything is awesome?
I think everyone is forgetting that crime in all categories is down. Only one up is homicides which is a reflection of gangs and drug culture. If your not in the game you are highly unlikely to be murdered in the City. I personally get tired of discussing crime because too many people are overly sensitive to it and think the city is a crime ridden cesspool which it isn't. They take the numbers at face value instead of considering everything else that goes into it.
If burglaries and armed robberies were up 20% I would be a lot more concerned.
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Then what are you doing posting in the crime forum??downtown2007 wrote:I personally get tired of discussing crime
Actually you are right these murders are isolated. and STL residents understand this. But do Outside the region business and people looking for a new place to move understand that. Most likely not because we are not there to explain that STL isnt that bad of a place
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^ And most people don't want to be a potential victim of mistaken identity or in the vicinity of AR-15 & AK-47 gun play. We have a crisis with gun violence and it needs to be addressed full on. It is depressing the ability for recovery in wide swaths of our city and is helping drive out good people to the suburbs.
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I doubt good people are going to flee into the suburbs, people who live in the city by choice, knew about the high homicide rate when they moved here, im getting tired of all the sky is falling talk. I doubt if Chicago's record homicide rate homicide rate in 2012, did anything to damper development there.
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^ We know for a fact a lot of good people, especially black families, are leaving the city in droves. High crime and suspect schools are prime reasons. And nobody is replacing those that leave in North City. There is some suggestion that school enrollment indicators show some reason for hope, but that is tenuous at best and a rise in gun violence is not going to help.
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Holy geez what in the heck you think has been happening the last 60 years I'm stl. What an ignorant statement. Signs of hope the last 10 years because we knew crime was isolated. But if homicdes would start happening closer to downtown, or wherever, you sure as heck would see many of us bolting. And this summer there were a few too many close calls. No the sky isnt falling but acting like there isnt a problem is just wrong. Im more concerned with how the outside world view STL and how that will affect its growth. Couple homicide increase with the ferguson mess doesnt help at all.i,Iive,to,draw wrote:I doubt good people are going to flee into the suburbs, people who live in the city by choice, knew about the high homicide rate when they moved here, im getting tired of all the sky is falling talk
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Yes homicide is a big deal, but in the end i don't think it will have much of a impact on people's daily lives unless you're or happen to be be related, to a gang banger. Homicides that actually happen to decent people are a lot less common compared to the former. People who truly want to live in a urban area especially if they don't have kids gang homicide doesn't really concern them. Like i said 2012 was Chicago's worst year in its history for homicide, and it still positive population growth since then. As for African Americans had been leaving the core cities for years around the country, and most that i knew growing up (i was only in high school a few years ago) wanted to have big house and car in the suburbs so, and to leave the cities for those things and none mentioned crime as a factor. As much as i hate sprawl, there is a huge portion of people white, black, Asian, ect who still want to leave the cities for the suburban life style. but that is entering a different topic altogether.
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To be fair this gun problem is not just in the city. I bet just looking at current 2014 homicides map on the STL post there been a rise in homicides in the county, St. Charles and St. Clair county IL. In my home town in Cahokia IL this weekend their was a drive by right across the street from my old high school. When I graduated from high school three years ago there was only like on drive by in Cahokia a year. Now if you open you windows at night it sounds like a war zone at night.
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This is true, but the difference b/w us and places like say, Chicago, is that we are a marginal city that few people want to move to. Or even to the region. To just blow off rampant gun violence as no big deal in a city that is just barely treading water is naïve.i,Iive,to,draw wrote: As much as i hate sprawl, there is a huge portion of people white, black, Asian, ect who still want to leave the cities for the suburban life style.
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Not to burst Chicago's bubble as there city is slowly gaining people, but there region is losing people at a very steady rate (while the st louis region is growing slowly. The problems Chicago faces are pretty much very similar to St Louis economically expect bigger, and faces almost all the same problems so its not too different, of a comparison.
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^ Chicagoland is not losing population; even Cook County itself is close to its high mark of 1970... we'd be swimming if our combined city/county numbers performed as well. Not saying Chicago doesn't have challenges and issues, but it remains an unquestioned global city.
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Strange after checking i could of sworn the Chicago MSA was losing people but i stand corrected but if St Louis wants to really dent its homicide it should make hot spot policing seem more random, maybe announcing it on all the media outlets is not the best route.
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^ I was double-checking some numbers and the wiki sez Saint Louis City has gained almost 3% since 2010... hopefully the mistake is by somebody from the future who meant to post this in 2015.
So roger , what do you propose to make STL city safer? Getting rid of guns. Yes, I assume the AK that the guy had last week was illegal as are 100% of the guns involved in gang warfare. I don't think these criminals applied for concealed carry licenses.. I'm all for getting illegal guns off the street. Are you in favor of stop and frisk? As much as I think we need to be in high crime areas like walnut park, it is profiling and you can't just frisk someone without cause. What if we have tougher sentencing in the city? Threaten to kill someone, mugging them gets you an automatic 20 years, etc.
St. Louis treats black-on-black death as insignificant
http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/ma ... da326.html
http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/ma ... da326.html
STLToday - Rash of shootings in St. Louis leaves one dead, six wounded
KMOV - Several south St. Louis businesses burglarized in recent weeks
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... 18f25.htmlFive shootings happened between 9 p.m. and about 2 a.m.
KMOV - Several south St. Louis businesses burglarized in recent weeks
http://www.kmov.com/news/crime/Several- ... 29511.htmlSeveral restaurants in south St. Louis City have been burglarized within the last two weeks. The burglars targeted specific items and caused costly damage
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^ Wow. Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for the 'Everything is Awesome!' pronouncement from Mayor Slay and Chief Dotson. 
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Sorry didn't see this earlier. Not sure on immediate things to do but I think the gun docket probably would be a good idea and continuing to build on efforts with neighborhoods such as neighborhood watch and neighborhood impact letters. More police would be a good thing and increased jobs and education most of all.jcity wrote:So roger , what do you propose to make STL city safer? Getting rid of guns. Yes, I assume the AK that the guy had last week was illegal as are 100% of the guns involved in gang warfare. I don't think these criminals applied for concealed carry licenses.. I'm all for getting illegal guns off the street. Are you in favor of stop and frisk? As much as I think we need to be in high crime areas like walnut park, it is profiling and you can't just frisk someone without cause. What if we have tougher sentencing in the city? Threaten to kill someone, mugging them gets you an automatic 20 years, etc.
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NY Times: Perceptions haven't yet caught up to the large decreases in crime
It’s an unfortunate fact that media reporting on individual crimes yields a relentlessly dismal drumbeat of downbeat news. But even as each reported crime yields a story that is terrifying enough to shape our perceptions, the truth is that none of them tells us much about the broader trends. Far better to ignore the anecdotes and focus instead on the big picture, and the hard data tells us: There’s been a remarkable decline in crime.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/17/up ... &referrer=
It’s an unfortunate fact that media reporting on individual crimes yields a relentlessly dismal drumbeat of downbeat news. But even as each reported crime yields a story that is terrifying enough to shape our perceptions, the truth is that none of them tells us much about the broader trends. Far better to ignore the anecdotes and focus instead on the big picture, and the hard data tells us: There’s been a remarkable decline in crime.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/17/up ... &referrer=
The writer is CLUELESS. He's attempting to mask his bias (and isn't doing a good job) and he's deflecting.matguy70 wrote:St. Louis treats black-on-black death as insignificant
http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/ma ... da326.html
He's comparing a so-called "civil servant" shooting and killing an unarmed young man who had his hands up to street violence?
While street violence shouldn't be tolerated and it isn't, there's a stark contrast.
Meanwhile, the writer sits in Wright City, of all places, complaining about what "St. Louis" (which he had likely written "Blacks", but it was changed by the P-D) isn't doing. What is he doing? The mask is transparent.
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My perception says the 32% increase in homicides in the City of St. Louis this year (as pointed out by RWII in a previous post to this thread) is an unfortunate reality and not an anecdote.downtown2007 wrote:NY Times: Perceptions haven't yet caught up to the large decreases in crime
It’s an unfortunate fact that media reporting on individual crimes yields a relentlessly dismal drumbeat of downbeat news. But even as each reported crime yields a story that is terrifying enough to shape our perceptions, the truth is that none of them tells us much about the broader trends. Far better to ignore the anecdotes and focus instead on the big picture, and the hard data tells us: There’s been a remarkable decline in crime.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/17/up ... &referrer=
