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From the video. Brown handed a pack to Johnson and Johnson out it back on the counter and walked out.

As far as a jury would be concerned, there would not be any crime. No charges were filed, the police had declared that they did not think he had committed any crime, and from what little information the police have released, the stolen goods were found on Michael Brown's body. I suppose a lawyer could go on the stand and try to paint him as an accessory, but I don't think that video alone is enough to invalidate Johnson as a witness to the shooting. According to the FBI/DOJ, he had told them about the robbery prior to the information being released. His story has been rather consistent as well.

moorlander wrote:

threeonefour wrote:Moorlander, thanks for posting that info. In my humble opinion, it was about time that we got some balance here.

Sure thing. One sided forums make for a very boring discussion.

Everyone seems to made up their mind already based on a witness who, moments before the shooting, was an accomplice in a burglary. Who is Darrion Johnson? Can he even be trusted?

I want to hear more of the officer's side of the story. What will we learn from the autopsy. Was Mike shot in the back? Was he shot up close? far away? Were his arms raised when he was shot?

My thoughts exactly. I want to hear BOTH sides of the story. I'm also not sure why there's so much doubt about the officer when nothing in his record indicated that he had any issues before. In fact, he won an award earlier this year.

I am not sure that the people clamoring for justice are ever going to be satisfied with anything less than Officer Wilson hanged, drawn and quartered by the QT. I'm not trying to be hyperbolic, but people will believe what they want to believe. Facts don't matter so much when the media is more interested in constructing a narrative and ginning up fear and anger.

Whatever happens, this community is going to have a lot of healing to do. Also, there has been a catastrophic failure of leadership at all levels, and I plan on holding our elected officials accountable for that.

Archcity, once the autopsy is out the main argument of you case will fall apart. He wasn't shot in the back.

dbInSouthCity wrote:Archcity, once the autopsy is out the main argument of you case will fall apart. He wasn't shot in the back.

According to whom? I know it's not fashionable to reserve judgment around here, but that's my plan. It isn't like this isn't going to be thoroughly vetted by multiple law enforcement agencies. We'll get to the truth eventually.

I don't see how this officer can't be convicted of murder but then again crazier things have happened like the Trayvon Martin case.
I think this whole event will either divide us or bring us closer together as city & I'm willing to bet this will bring everyone closer together.
I firmly believe that any type of law enforcement offer male or female abuse their power of authority by a wide margin.
Also if he's shooting at Brown from a far range he's literally putting everyone in that neighborhood in danger of being shot.
They'll do a 2nd autopsy today or tomorrow.
Im interested in how many bullet wounds have they revealed on his body..

TheNewSaintLouis wrote:I don't see how this officer can't be convicted of murder

I just don't understand how an objective person could say this. We don't have all the evidence yet.

Seems like last night went pretty well and there is some key community buy-in on the midnight curfew.... I heard some suggestion that maybe the curfew could be tweaked by having a designated midnight - 5 a.m. zone for peaceful protest which potentially could be a good idea. Maybe a large parking lot, although I doubt any property owners would be willing to offer their's.

And did anyone happen to catch an interview (I think on Fox2) of the protester who made it out of the curfew zone after the tear gas came? Rather bizarre... the kid was from O'Fallon and very polite and informative.... seems like that core group was a diverse mix of people from near and far and with different agendas. It also has been reported throughout the week that a good degree of the trouble has been coming from white anarchists from who-knows-where wanting to stir up trouble, including allegedly burning down the QT.

Anyway, hopefully we've finally reached a decent working arrangement for the time being on how to handle the daily protests. It certainly will be interesting to see how the daily routine might change over the coming weeks and months. I understand the grand jury process alone could take months.

moorlander wrote:

TheNewSaintLouis wrote:I don't see how this officer can't be convicted of murder

I just don't understand how an objective person could say this. We don't have all the evidence yet.

All I'm going by is theory thats all we can go by cause we won't know any of the outcome until the sentence is announced

There is a small chance that the officer was having a bad day and snapped, i mean sometimes we forget that police are humans and not robots and sometimes we forget that majority of police officers go thru entire entire career without shooting anyone. Police have shot 145 people thru 8 months of 2014, there is 780,000 police officers in the US....so when a chance comes to shot, bad decisions can be made...they can have all the training in the world but when you have to practice it...its 100% different...shooting at a paper target and shooting a living breathing person is not the same thing....but with all the being said, i still believe there wont be any charges...its an uphill battle in this case to get a charge...

roger wyoming II wrote:^ I guess I spoke to soon on saying things went rather well last night and didn't get this report of an overturned media truck.

Just to be clear, he's joking. It appears that this is from a protest at Penn State.

^god, that penn state student riot made me realize how much I hate how much sports mean to some people with nothing real going on in their lives. And I'm a huge baseball and hockey fan, with several fantasy teams for fun.

many of those same rabid sports fans are likely the type who are saying they can't see what the big deal is here.

The “JJ Witness Video” – Eye Witness Audio of Mike Brown Shooting States: “Brown Doubled Back Toward Police”…
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 ... rd-police/

Meet the Press was excellent today. It's becoming more and more evident to me that many people view this situation from the perspective that it could have happened just about anywhere.

Because it's happened here St Louis could use this horrible situation to propel itself ahead of several other cities in terms of racial equality and government streamlining.

Several people on meet the press questioned why we've not heard more from the power structure of ferguson, which is all but a rhetorical question as this situation has further galvanized how useless municipal government and police are.

hebeters2 wrote:A woman, referring to herself as "Josie" claims to be a friend of the officer named in the Michael Brown shooting calls in to tell his side of the story.
http://www.971talk.com/blogs/dana-show- ... s-his-side

So, according to Josie, a shot went off in the car which was enough to send Michael running. Almost home, 35 feet between him and Wilson, Wilson yells freeze and Michael halts turns around to taunt Wilson, and charge in the direction moments earlier he was just running from because the gun went off?

So he goes from fear to defiant to hostile in a matter of moments? An unarmed teenager. An officer with a gun.

Has anyone ever run from gun shots at a slight jog?

So I'm suppose to believe the kid's temper escalated? The one who ended up dead with multiple shots in him?
Not the cop that told them to get off the street, reversed back and engaged them, fired a shot in the car, got out of car to pursue a fleeing teenager, and ultimately shot the kid multiple times until he died?

Here's what i like to clarify.
I'm not against Mike Brown nor Officer Wilson.
How will justice be served on both sides . I know we're several months possibly beyond on knowing any outcome of what will happen.
I like to believe both Mike Brown & his cousin are guilty for stealing however this will never give his family justice for the shooting of their son but everything happens for a reason. I look at it like this. If Mike Brown & his cousin weren't walking in the middle of the street then none of this wouldn't of happened it's almost like they were asking for trouble on that very same day. On the other hand I don't think the excessive amount of shots being fired at Mike Brown will never warrant his death.
Despite the outcome of all of this will either be happy most likely not however this should be a lesson learned for any of us too not take life for granted & whether Mike Brown was a gentle giant or Darren Wilson was a award winning cop bad things can happen to all of us.
I really hope they get this right on both sides cause both are victims of something horrific however this could be a movement for bigger changes as i think we're already starting to see.
This is a big wake up call for all of Saint.Louis & all of America.
We really all need to talk to each other to figure out what the real difference's are that we face beyond the rest of this year but for our future..
This kind of reminds of the movie Avatar in a ways.
We need to find peace within ourselves but learn how to love others.
This is just my thought!!!
I think we all have big hearts on this forum regardless of our differences or the outcome of all of this.
I don't think i'll make any more comments on this particular post unless need be.

Here are those PD picutres:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/multimedia ... c0d31.html