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PostAug 14, 2014#3626

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robertn42 wrote:To personalize this, if these protests and riots were happening in my neighborhood I would be concerned with my family, my property, my neighbors, and the businesses that make up my community...In that order. I could give a sh*t less what national reporters or the alderman from another city think or are experiencing because once the dust settles they no longer have skin in the game.
At the end of the day, people have the right to free assembly, press and protest in Ferguson. They don't have the right to riot and loot. BUT Ferguson is not an island. If you lived in Ferguson, you'd have to deal with it until it was over.
That's my point, the protestors and reporters that are not from Ferguson can step away at anytime and it is over for them, yet they are the garnering all the attention. The focus should be on the residents of Ferguson, the children who have had their school year delayed, the business owners who have lost huge amounts of money, and first and foremost Mike Brown and his family. Instead, today we have the politicians swooping in making bold claims to turn all the attention to themselves. Like they have acquired a real grasp of the situation from afar and somehow have expertise on controlling it. This is all about "look at me" and it drives me crazy. There are very real things happening here. Things that will have a huge impact on our region going forward. That quickly gets lost when individuals make it about themselves.

Finally, what about the officers that are suffering because of the potentially heinous acts of another officer? I guarantee that the majority of the officers on the front line of this are good people and are doing nothing more than following orders. Yet they a being verbally berated, assaulted with bricks, rocks, guns, and molotov cocktails. They are humans too. Why should they be subjected to this because of the acts of an individual? On one hand we are told that we need to separate the rioters and looters from the peaceful protesters but on the other hand all law enforcement officers involved are treated as evil because of the actions of one Ferguson policeman. The Hypocrisy is mind-boggling.

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PostAug 14, 2014#3627

major props for Sen. McCaskill... addressing the militarization of policing and need to deescalate head on.

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PostAug 14, 2014#3628

dbInSouthCity wrote:Robert Patrick
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Police officer who shot #MikeBrown has retained a lawyer. #Ferguson
He needs to hire one because even if the fabricated lies are believed, if Michael Brown had his hands in the air, according to multiple witnesses, he needs go to federal jail. He violated Brown's civil rights.

Also, there hasn't been any murders this year - only Michael Brown's.


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PostAug 14, 2014#3629

That's my point, the protestors and reporters that are not from Ferguson can step away at anytime and it is over for them, yet they are the garnering all the attention. The focus should be on the residents of Ferguson...
I think it is the Shock and Awe military response that has turned the focus away from the residents of Ferguson.
We went through some pretty bad areas of Afghanistan, but we didn’t wear that much gear
from this story...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/chec ... -ferguson/
Finally, what about the officers that are suffering because of the potentially heinous acts of another officer? I guarantee that the majority of the officers on the front line of this are good people and are doing nothing more than following orders.
Once they stop wearing badges and #'s, and start arresting and intimidating the press, it becomes pretty hard to separate the "heinous" from the "just following orders".

I can't wait the read the blow by blow of the decision making in the "war rooms" of the Ferguson PD and St. Louis County PD. The response last night seemed out of control with no one realizing what was going on. Quotes from the Ferguson Chief certainly seem like he didn't know what was going on. Sure seemed like a case of a kid with a bunch of shiny new toys wanting to get them all out at once and play with them, except it was body armor, armored vehicles, assault rifles, and tear gas grenades.

Looks like the Chief of the St. Louis PD pulled out of any tactical support for the FPD and STLCPD when he saw the direction it was headed. bit.ly/1uxfkF4

Lets hope cooler heads prevail on both sides tonight.

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PostAug 14, 2014#3630

I think most people would agree that the tanks they have been using have been a bit overkill.

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Her mother told me, "In her head right now she's not sure if police are the good guys."

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PostAug 14, 2014#3633

Which of the body armor, armored vehicles, assault rifles, and tear gas grenades, etc are Ferguson assets and which are StL County assets? Ferguson doesn't have a SWAT team, right? That's StL County's, correct?

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PostAug 14, 2014#3634

The Governor is speaking from UMSL.

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PostAug 14, 2014#3635

roger wyoming II wrote:major props for Sen. McCaskill... addressing the militarization of policing and need to deescalate head on.

And Rand Paul.

http://time.com/3111474/rand-paul-ferguson-police/

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PostAug 14, 2014#3636

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goat314 wrote:Its mostly hype. If one African-American says something negative about an Asian then everybody thinks that defines the relationships between all Asians and African-Americans? What are the tensions? If there were tensions half of the Chinese restaurants and hair shops in St. Louis would be out of business, because most of their patrons are African-American. What I will says is that many Asian and Arab store owners treat African-Americans badly when they come in their stores and this is a nationwide phenomenon. I personally think the solution to many of these problems is to promote entrepreneurship and real economic development in African-American communities, people are less likely to riot if they feel they have a legitimate stake in their communities.
SPOT ON!! But I would like to add that St. Louis consistently has one of the highest-percentages of black-owned businesses and start-ups in the country besting some of the larger metros - according to Black Enterprise Magazine's measurements.

The largest African-American business in the nation is HQ'd in St. Louis (Maryland Heights), which is World Wide Technology. The problem in St. Louis is its piss-poor economy. It has seen working-class jobs dwindle due to de-industrialization and poor local leadership that did not plan wisely for the global economy - likely because of the good ol' boy business mindset in St. Louis.

Also, although I think some of this discussion (not you personally, goat314) is a deflection (or deflects) from the overall unrest in Ferguson, why do some people suggest African-Americans have issues with Asians instead of Asians having issues with African-Americans, when in fact African-American/Asian tension is a two-way street. Actually, African-Americans are not jealous of Asian success and economic power. However, it is about how some Asian business owners treat African-Americans patronizing some of their businesses. I am solidly middle-class and I have been mistreated a few times, which I won't get into, at different Asian businesses. For the most part, I have had no problems. And I am sure most blacks could say the same.

Nonetheless, it's amazing to me how African-Americans seem to be the group always pegged to be the "antagonists" in interracial (or even gay) relationships tensions. Unfortunately, members of every group - including religious groups - brings bias of other groups to the table.
I agree with everything you said.

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PostAug 15, 2014#3637

It's a good thing the media is making it clear that this is happening in Ferguson, Missouri otherwise the world would think St. Louis is a city of crappy ranch houses!

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PostAug 15, 2014#3638

leeharveyawesome wrote:It's a good thing the media is making it clear that this is happening in Ferguson, Missouri otherwise the world would think St. Louis is a city of crappy ranch houses!
That's just South St. Louis.

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PostAug 15, 2014#3639

somebody ventured afield:

Amy K. Nelson @AmyKNelson · 3h

The #Ferguson I'm seeing is more than what has been broadcast. This is the burbs too. Beautiful houses, quaint business district etc

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PostAug 15, 2014#3640

Can McCullough be fair after his comments tonight?

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... d6cf1.html

“It's shameful what he did today, he had no legal authority to do that," McCulloch said. "To denigrate the men and women of the county police department is shameful."

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PostAug 15, 2014#3641

I think the main reason that Nixon removed the County from was the total incompetency of St. Louis County's response to this crises. The officers weren't specifically the problem, the tactics were.

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PostAug 15, 2014#3642

^^ not sure who was crazier.... McCulloch or House Leader Diehl, who today called for Nixon to declare a state of emergency and curfew.

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PostAug 15, 2014#3643

McCulloch's father, a cop, was shot and killed in Pruitt-Igoe in 1964 by a black man. The feedback loop surrounding these events this week are insane. We are living out our history everyday, it continues to reverberate and we don't notice. We name a destitute housing project after a Tuskegee Airman, a WW2 fighter pilot, and it continues to shape us today. And no doubt was shaped by our history before it. Heads in the sand.

I hope McCulloch does the right thing.

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PostAug 15, 2014#3644

that's a bizarre and kind of troubling statement by McCulloch. What was he thinking? Almost sounds as if he was the one giving orders... what's the procedure for taking him off the case? Is that a plausible scenario?

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PostAug 15, 2014#3645

that's a bizarre and kind of troubling statement by McCulloch. What was he thinking? Almost sounds as if he was the one giving orders... what's the procedure for taking him off the case? Is that a plausible scenario?
"Kind of"?

The incidents of the past few days show a lot. They show a lot about the entrenched white political establishment of St. Louis County and Clayton.

They show a lot about the pretty much limitless deferential mentality among some (especially within that same white establishment) toward the police.

And perhaps most troubling now is that the STL County police department has essentially been removed from its duty/discredited by the governor for its handling of the Ferguson incident.

That's a line that for law and order types, with McCulloch at the top of the heap, you don't cross. It's a violation of the cop honor code. There's a bit of a problem now.

McCulloch's heady statements yesterday, about how he fears that the governor having put the citizens of Ferguson in danger, are now shown to be mistaken - provided calm prevails under the new, less militaristic approach being taken.

Does McCulloch apologize? Does the county police chief apologize?

The County's tactics have been rebuffed by President Obama, Senator McCaskill, Representative Lacy Clay, Mayor Slay, Alderman French, and city police chief Sam Dotson.

The County stands alone, looking foolish and in need of reform.

It's their move. What happens next?

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PostAug 15, 2014#3646

^Sen. Nasheed has called for McCulloch to recuse himself and for a special prosecutor to be appointed. There's a petition circulating. I'm not sure who gets the final say on these kinds of things though.

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PostAug 15, 2014#3647

my goodness...incompetence all over

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PostAug 15, 2014#3648

Well, we have the name of the officer.....

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PostAug 15, 2014#3649

Why do people always have to go out their way to be such douches
Like this i was reading in the KC forum

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Post Re: Ferguson, Missouri
St. Louis is the most racist place I've ever seen. I don't know why it is, but most every time that I hear something overtly racial, it's coming from someone who lives or grew up there.

For one if you don't come here often or notta then how can you assume that its the most racist place you ever seen from a few select people.
Have they ever thought that these people might be unhappy with their lives regardless of where they go.

Anyways i felt the governor waited for too long to respond & it justifies my theory that he's not a Saint.Louis advocate by any means.

Also i was so proud to see many cities hold marches for Michael Brown..

Whatever the outcome may be pending investigation & court ruling no one deserve to have their life end by violence. I hope justice is served & his family can live in peace

Ferguson suppose to release the cops name today finally!!!!

PostAug 15, 2014#3650

Officer Darren Wilson is his name

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