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I also seem to recall readong about a bosnian-black riot in the City, possibly at Roosevelt Highschool. I don't recall all the details, but I believe it was in the 90s as well.

Re: recent race riots in STL - don't forget the riots at Fairground Park when the city tried to integrate the swimming pool - that was in the 1950s.

Back to Ferguson -

I wonder if the situation would have turned out any differently (no riots/looting), had the St. Louis County police chief not have biased the situation by what he said in his press conference? You know, by saying that the young man who died was involved in an altercation with the officer inside the police car, and that there was a fight over the officer's weapon?

Those were UNBELIEVABLY dumb things to say at that powder keg of a moment, and I would say increased hostility among the protesters.

On the one hand, he (the chief) is saying he doesn't want to do anything to taint the investigation. On the other, he's basically suggesting that the cop was acting in a justified fashion, protecting himself and the public from a dangerous subject.

dbInSouthCity wrote:Cut it off at 10K- the ones that dont make the cut adjust their boarders to the nearest that does.

Oakville 35,309

Mehlville 28,822

Spanish Lake 21,337
Affton 20,535

Lemay 17,215 4.5

Concord 16,689

Funny thing is that those six aren't even incorporated. There's so many smaller ones. If those areas where incorporated with the avg size stl county muni (7,500) there would be about 20 more.

quincunx wrote:

dbInSouthCity wrote:Cut it off at 10K- the ones that dont make the cut adjust their boarders to the nearest that does.

Oakville 35,309

Mehlville 28,822

Spanish Lake 21,337
Affton 20,535

Lemay 17,215 4.5

Concord 16,689

Funny thing is that those six aren't even incorporated. There's so many smaller ones. If those areas where incorporated with the avg size stl county muni (7,500) there would be about 20 more.

incorporated those, dump <10K

tho i would keep Champ...that's just a great name for anything

I think Fox 2 deserves an award for its coverage late last night into early this morning. The Mazda Roadrunner and Christ Higgins provided excellent live coverage of the looting and the police response. And, after 4 went over to sports and then Entertainment Tonight, Shirley Washington stayed at the desk until 2:20 in the morning. The largest event to happen in St. Louis in a decade, and Fox 2 was really the only network covering it.

Also, as far as the media goes, it seems like most of the world followed the events on twitter through tag #stlriots and the tweets of alderman Antonio French, as CNN was covering the Israeli ceasefire and the other networks were not live at the time.

I can't recall who is was but this morning at least one of the reporters was going on a 20hr shift. (meaning she pulled and all-nighter) This was on KSDK.

moorlander wrote:I can't recall who is was but this morning at least one of the reporters was going on a 20hr shift. (meaning she pulled and all-nighter) This was on KSDK.

There were a lot of people up all night last night.

KTVI did provide the most live coverage by far- they went off the air around 2:20 a.m. if I remember correctly, and resumed at 3:30 a.m. I (finally!) went to bed after they signed off, but they said then they would resume coverage at 3:30 a.m. Bobby Hughes, the Mazda Roadrunner reporter, covered Ferguson nonstop into the morning hours.

Again, if I recall correctly, KMOV signed off before midnight and KSDK wrapped up live coverage around 1 a.m. I'm not sure when other local channels resumed live coverage this morning. I usually watch KTVI first and most often.

Ebsy wrote:

roger wyoming II wrote:Not a native so I'll ask.... anyone recall the last major rioting/looting incident in the region? Seems to me that historically this type of action has been relatively rare compared to other larger cities with similar tensions. I could be wrong about that, but if it is true I wonder what the reasons are for it.

There was a riot after MLK was killed.

There was not. Surprisingly, St. Louis was one of the larger cities that did not have riots after the assassination.

You are correct. There was a march but no rioting. My appologies for my error.

10 people charged with a felony for looting... 10 of 10 from the city of st.louis

dbInSouthCity wrote:tho i would keep Champ...that's just a great name for anything

Champ can annex the others.

mattonarsenal wrote:

Ebsy wrote:

roger wyoming II wrote:Not a native so I'll ask.... anyone recall the last major rioting/looting incident in the region? Seems to me that historically this type of action has been relatively rare compared to other larger cities with similar tensions. I could be wrong about that, but if it is true I wonder what the reasons are for it.

There was a riot after MLK was killed.

There was not. Surprisingly, St. Louis was one of the larger cities that did not have riots after the assassination.

I don't have a source handy, but I've read some opinions before that suggest racial relations in St. Louis are more strained than in cities where the riots occurred in the late 1960s. In other words, the idea is that other cities had to deal with the issue of racial tension head-on, which was not necessarily the case here.

Of course, that's just a theory, and I see it both ways. On one hand, St. Louis didn't endure the violence, bloodshed, and vast property damage as cities like Detroit, Chicago, and Memphis did in the late 1960s. On the other hand, are we better off as a community because we ignored the elephant in the room for at least 45 years? I don't think so.

Channel 4 has had the worst coverage of anyone. Best goes to 5 in my book

I hope all of the people here in this thread who've been calling for tighter policing and more gung ho shoot-first-ask-questions-later law enforcement have now come to understand why that's maybe not so great.

Mike Brown is the natural conclusion

It appears as if another riot is about to break out. The police are firing tear gas into the crowd, firing rubber bullets and spraying people with mace. One even pointed an assault rifle directly at Antonio French. I have never been so embarrassed to be a St. Louisan.

Man I hope you're wrong but I wouldn't be surprised. Police seem to have stepped up show of force big time tonight, probably to avoid a repeat of last night. Really hoping it doesn't escalate further.

The real video is coming through twitter under the #ferguson

I would not be surprised if some of the protesters start arming themselves. It worked for Cliven Bundy.

Edit: The Fox 2 reporters were just tear gassed. It looks like the media is being driven out.

Yep, unfortunately the local news stations went to regular programming because they have nothing to really report on with the new cameras driven out. Which of course is a first amendment violation.

I understand it's for safety to some degree, but they can't just do that, can they?

Greatest St. Louis wrote:I hope all of the people here in this thread who've been calling for tighter policing and more gung ho shoot-first-ask-questions-later law enforcement have now come to understand why that's maybe not so great.

Mike Brown is the natural conclusion

Well, that depends. If you believe the official police account, Mr. Brown assaulted the police officer and struggled with him in an attempt to get his gun, so the use of force would seem to be appropriate. On the other hand, if you believe the eyewitness account, which is what family and friends believe as well, this would absolutely be considered excessive force by just about anyone's definition.

Me, I prefer to wait for the facts of this case to come to light before I make a judgment one way or another. In the meantime, people who wish to protest peacefully should be able to carry on without worry. However, those who are using this situation for their own personal gain, i.e., the looters and rioters, should expect police to use force if that's what it takes to restore normalcy to Ferguson and the region as a whole. I think the police have shown remarkable restraint over the last 48 hours.

I hope and pray this ends soon. There's enough mayhem in our area as it is on what often seems like a daily basis.

threeonefour wrote:

Greatest St. Louis wrote:I hope all of the people here in this thread who've been calling for tighter policing and more gung ho shoot-first-ask-questions-later law enforcement have now come to understand why that's maybe not so great.

Mike Brown is the natural conclusion

Well, that depends. If you believe the official police account, Mr. Brown assaulted the police officer and struggled with him in an attempt to get his gun, so the use of force would seem to be appropriate. On the other hand, if you believe the eyewitness account, which is what family and friends believe as well, this would absolutely be considered excessive force by just about anyone's definition.

Me, I prefer to wait for the facts of this case to come to light before I make a judgment one way or another. In the meantime, people who wish to protest peacefully should be able to carry on without worry. However, those who are using this situation for their own personal gain, i.e., the looters and rioters, should expect police to use force if that's what it takes to restore normalcy to Ferguson and the region as a whole. I think the police have shown remarkable restraint over the last 48 hours.

I hope and pray this ends soon. There's enough mayhem in our area as it is on what often seems like a daily basis.

You don't actually believe the story released by the authorities will be objective and not protect the cops that killed this unarmed teenager, do you?

Hopefully the forensics will be clear on whether or not the kid was shot in the back while running away, and we won't have to speculate forever.

Looting/Violence taking place at the Galleria and in South City. Weird, I thought this was a problem "up there" and "with those people".

KSDK's live coverage of the NAACP church gathering was very good. What an incredible event; it really galvanized, to me, how the community is dealing with this issue, its internal struggles, and its public response to this horrible incident. I'm miffed that the Police have not given out more information. Obviously the lack of information has a direct correlation to the amount of public unrest.