A portion of the Tower Grove South neighborhood adjoining Spring/Chippewa area does this as well.... (South Tower Grove South?)south compton wrote: Some neighborhoods do tax themselves to hire additional security (not real cops, but private security mainly staffed by off-duty cops). I think Southwest Garden is one of the neighborhoods that does this.
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Yeah south tgs has one. It's a off duty city cop. Drives up and down ally's in a small car from what I noticed...did chase me once from Chippewa to Juniata once because I rolled the stop sign....I told him to go find something better to do...
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Crime thread was in danger of falling off the first page of URBAN LIVING. Can't have that.
Autistic man robbed and punched at Forest Park Metrolink:
http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Man-with ... 98201.html
Deaf man attacked at Richmond Heights Metrolink.
http://www.kmov.com/home/Deaf-man-attac ... 18461.html
Man sucker punched at Forest Park Metrolink.
http://www.kmov.com/news/mobile/Man-pun ... 34031.html
Autistic man robbed and punched at Forest Park Metrolink:
http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Man-with ... 98201.html
Deaf man attacked at Richmond Heights Metrolink.
http://www.kmov.com/home/Deaf-man-attac ... 18461.html
Man sucker punched at Forest Park Metrolink.
http://www.kmov.com/news/mobile/Man-pun ... 34031.html
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What is causing the spike in Violent crime in recent days?
Is gentrification having an effect by concentrating the poor in to parts of north city?
Is just due to the weather after the long winter being over?
Is crime being pushed in from ESTL after the state police started patrolling there?
What is kinda surprising is that most of the shootings were concentrated in north city and the poor areas in south city seem like they are not taking part crime spike to much. Crime in st Louis usually happens in wave and then in quites down for a while but over all crime is down in the city compared to this time last year.
Maybe the city can ask the sate to have the MO sate police to help patrol the city.
(crime overall is down from this time last year)
Is gentrification having an effect by concentrating the poor in to parts of north city?
Is just due to the weather after the long winter being over?
Is crime being pushed in from ESTL after the state police started patrolling there?
What is kinda surprising is that most of the shootings were concentrated in north city and the poor areas in south city seem like they are not taking part crime spike to much. Crime in st Louis usually happens in wave and then in quites down for a while but over all crime is down in the city compared to this time last year.
Maybe the city can ask the sate to have the MO sate police to help patrol the city.
(crime overall is down from this time last year)
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We are awash in guns. Until that changes the shootings will occur.
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Yeah the recent spike in crime is due to white people who drink coffee. Moron.
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^ Very discouraging. The first half of last year was very encouraging -- nextstl even had a post in July with the headline, "Saint Louis on Pace For Second Fewest Homicides Since 1962." Unfortunately, homicides have upticked substantially since then.
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^ if my maths are right that is over a 20% jump and I think it may have only gotten worse this month.
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Another article on the effort to combine crime stats for the City and unincorporated County, this one with a focus on support from corporate and civic community concerned about economic impacts of the city's high crime rate:
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... bde76.html
From a completely detached point of view it makes no sense to combine the core city with just the County's unincorporated suburban tracts or those otherwise policed by the County... that makes no sense from a statistical point of view. On the other hand, if the entire crime rate for the County were included I think that is reasonable and perhaps the fairest way for comparisons... by taking Saint Louis County and Saint Louis City and Baltimore City and Baltimore County we can get a better comparison say against Kansas City/Jackson County and Indianapolis/Marion County, etc.
However, my main concern is on whether this distracts from confronting the very real crime problem that we do have -- another murder overnight, this time in Holly Hills. If its a catalyst to getting the County and City corporate and civic leadership to build true economic development and tackle the crime we do have then great, this may help; but I also get the sense that a large part of the corporate community doesn't give a crap about Saint Louis City; in fact, some have been part of the problem by disinvesting themselves of the City.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... bde76.html
From a completely detached point of view it makes no sense to combine the core city with just the County's unincorporated suburban tracts or those otherwise policed by the County... that makes no sense from a statistical point of view. On the other hand, if the entire crime rate for the County were included I think that is reasonable and perhaps the fairest way for comparisons... by taking Saint Louis County and Saint Louis City and Baltimore City and Baltimore County we can get a better comparison say against Kansas City/Jackson County and Indianapolis/Marion County, etc.
However, my main concern is on whether this distracts from confronting the very real crime problem that we do have -- another murder overnight, this time in Holly Hills. If its a catalyst to getting the County and City corporate and civic leadership to build true economic development and tackle the crime we do have then great, this may help; but I also get the sense that a large part of the corporate community doesn't give a crap about Saint Louis City; in fact, some have been part of the problem by disinvesting themselves of the City.
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Why does the Post Dispatch continually publicize the widely discredited CQ Press "Cities" list, rather than the "Metros" list. And the link they put in the article is to one of the old lists that ranks St. Louis Number 1 in crime in the cities list, but conveniently leaves St. Louis out of the Metro list altogether.
Why are they not instead pointing to the newest CQ Press site that puts St. Louis City at number 5 in the (bogus) cities list, and number 95 in the metros list.
http://www.cqpress.com/pages/cc2014
Based on the comments to the piece, the Post, by promoting the distorted "cities" ranking, has done a good job of convincing St. Louisans that we really are the worst in crime (wrong) and any attempts to level the playing field for a fair ranking against other cities is cheating.
Why are they not instead pointing to the newest CQ Press site that puts St. Louis City at number 5 in the (bogus) cities list, and number 95 in the metros list.
http://www.cqpress.com/pages/cc2014
Based on the comments to the piece, the Post, by promoting the distorted "cities" ranking, has done a good job of convincing St. Louisans that we really are the worst in crime (wrong) and any attempts to level the playing field for a fair ranking against other cities is cheating.
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One silver lining to the irresponsible way crime stats are presented is that it forces the city to take crime incredibly seriously. I obviously think the crime rate and especially murder rate are too high. But I think it forces stl more than other cities to put money towards improving that aspect of city life.
I wish their was a better way to measure crime accurately. That might be a project for five thirty eight. A good idea imo would be crime per square mile in a city. The problem with that stat is it doesnt take into account population density. That would have to factored in somehow.
I wish their was a better way to measure crime accurately. That might be a project for five thirty eight. A good idea imo would be crime per square mile in a city. The problem with that stat is it doesnt take into account population density. That would have to factored in somehow.
Because that would take buy-in from 62 police depts instead of two.roger wyoming II wrote:From a completely detached point of view it makes no sense to combine the core city with just the County's unincorporated suburban tracts or those otherwise policed by the County... that makes no sense from a statistical point of view. On the other hand, if the entire crime rate for the County were included I think that is reasonable and perhaps the fairest way for comparisons... by taking Saint Louis County and Saint Louis City and Baltimore City and Baltimore County we can get a better comparison say against Kansas City/Jackson County and Indianapolis/Marion County, etc.
Because the cities list is what makes the headlines and being #1 at some point in the past is what people remember and think enduresgary kreie wrote:Why does the Post Dispatch continually publicize the widely discredited CQ Press "Cities" list, rather than the "Metros" list. And the link they put in the article is to one of the old lists that ranks St. Louis Number 1 in crime in the cities list, but conveniently leaves St. Louis out of the Metro list altogether.
Why are they not instead pointing to the newest CQ Press site that puts St. Louis City at number 5 in the (bogus) cities list, and number 95 in the metros list.
http://www.cqpress.com/pages/cc2014
Based on the comments to the piece, the Post, by promoting the distorted "cities" ranking, has done a good job of convincing St. Louisans that we really are the worst in crime (wrong) and any attempts to level the playing field for a fair ranking against other cities is cheating.
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So heres a question to anyone.Who do you think cares about crime more Boomers or Millennia's ?
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/165554/harm- ... rents.aspx
Not directly answering your question, but parents of children under 18 vs. all Americans shows that they track similarly.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/150464/Ameri ... ening.aspx
Most Americans have no clue about actual crime trends.
I would say Millenials and Boomers alike are "concerned" about crime, but their socioeconomic status makes their reactions different. I feel like the implication of the question is that Millenials are more willing to tolerate crime for a bit of urban excitement. I'm not sure that's true.
Not directly answering your question, but parents of children under 18 vs. all Americans shows that they track similarly.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/150464/Ameri ... ening.aspx
Most Americans have no clue about actual crime trends.
I would say Millenials and Boomers alike are "concerned" about crime, but their socioeconomic status makes their reactions different. I feel like the implication of the question is that Millenials are more willing to tolerate crime for a bit of urban excitement. I'm not sure that's true.
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Comparing by zip code would be a lot more fair. In what zip codes are you least safe? Zip codes are defined with consistent rules, so you are closer to comparing apples to apples. But that takes work. I can do the CQ Press city ranking list in an afternoon easy by copying the FBI web tables to a spreadsheet and sorting.mjbais1489 wrote:One silver lining to the irresponsible way crime stats are presented is that it forces the city to take crime incredibly seriously. I obviously think the crime rate and especially murder rate are too high. But I think it forces stl more than other cities to put money towards improving that aspect of city life.
I wish their was a better way to measure crime accurately. That might be a project for five thirty eight. A good idea imo would be crime per square mile in a city. The problem with that stat is it doesnt take into account population density. That would have to factored in somehow.
It is amazing that even the Post Dispatch hasn't noticed that the city and metro ranking discrepancies expose the city list as complete nonsense. And if we think the discrepancy between the city ranking and the metro ranking for St. Louis proves that the city is a lot more dangerous than the suburbs, then how do the residents of San Antonio interpret the cities list?
For San Antonio, In the Cities list, they rank a fairly low #140 -- pretty safe place, right? -- but they rank a more dangerous #78th in the metro list which includes remaining suburbs. (St. Louis ranks a better at #95 in the metro list.) So does that mean people in San Antonio suburbs should move to the core? No, it means the city list is completely bogus because San Antonio includes 70% of its suburbs in its city limits, and it gets pushed way down the city list because it is ranked against core cities like St Louis. But someone will move to San Antonia from St. Louis thinking they are safer there.
[url][/http://www.cqpress.com/pages/cc2014url]
Comparing by zip code would be a lot more fair. In what zip codes are you least safe? Zip codes are defined with consistent rules, so you are closer to comparing apples to apples. But that takes work. I can do the CQ Press city ranking list in an afternoon easy by copying the FBI web tables to a spreadsheet and sorting.mjbais1489 wrote:One silver lining to the irresponsible way crime stats are presented is that it forces the city to take crime incredibly seriously. I obviously think the crime rate and especially murder rate are too high. But I think it forces stl more than other cities to put money towards improving that aspect of city life.
I wish their was a better way to measure crime accurately. That might be a project for five thirty eight. A good idea imo would be crime per square mile in a city. The problem with that stat is it doesnt take into account population density. That would have to factored in somehow.
It is amazing that even the Post Dispatch hasn't noticed that the city and metro ranking discrepancies expose the city list as complete nonsense. And if we think the discrepancy between the city ranking and the metro ranking for St. Louis proves that the city is a lot more dangerous than the suburbs, then how do the residents of San Antonio interpret the cities list?
For San Antonio, In the Cities list, they rank a fairly low #140 -- pretty safe place, right? -- but they rank a more dangerous #78th in the metro list which includes their distant suburbs. (St. Louis metro ranks better at #95 in the metro list.) So does that mean people in San Antonio suburbs should move to the core? No, it means the city list is completely bogus because San Antonio includes 70% of its suburbs in its city limits, and it gets pushed way down the city list because it is ranked against core cities like St Louis. But someone will move to San Antonia from St. Louis thinking they are safer there.
[url][/http://www.cqpress.com/pages/cc2014url]
Drive by shootings seem to be the "IT" for 2014.
9 drive by shootings in the past 7 days... 4 killed.
http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Spike-in ... 51171.html
9 drive by shootings in the past 7 days... 4 killed.
http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Spike-in ... 51171.html
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I just don't get the thinking behind comments like this, at least when it comes to homicide:
nextSTL.com @nextSTL · 18h
Crime is too high in St. Louis. Also too high in Indy, Omaha, Cincy, Nashville, Atlanta...but which one is labelled "most dangerous"?
Not to diminish the fact that some of these cities have troubles of their own, but if we can't acknowledge that we've had a particularly severe homicide crisis in Saint Louis in comparison to all but a few other cities things will continue like they've been.
nextSTL.com @nextSTL · 18h
Crime is too high in St. Louis. Also too high in Indy, Omaha, Cincy, Nashville, Atlanta...but which one is labelled "most dangerous"?
Not to diminish the fact that some of these cities have troubles of their own, but if we can't acknowledge that we've had a particularly severe homicide crisis in Saint Louis in comparison to all but a few other cities things will continue like they've been.
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Crime is like a virus it spreads rapidly and once it starts its hard trying to stop it... It's become an epidemic here in St.Louis and until we find the right cure its going to continue. Too many innocent lives have been taken from guns drugs and thugs ...I really believe the City truly needs the counties help in policing
Want to cure the crime problem? Then get real about the cause: concentrated poverty in a cultural desert. Make all public assistance available only with very specific strings attached. 1) The recipient must live in a majority-majority census tract. 2) The recipient must live in a census tract with no greater than 10% poverty. 3) Landlords must apply for Section 8 rental status, and no more than one unit in 10 or 20 may be treated as Section 8 - in other words tie it to the location, not the tenant. This is how you start busting up the ghetto culture that produces people that think it is okay to kill people over a few dollars, or a turf/gang thing, or whatever.
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On a positive note, other cities have seen great strides in violent crime reduction, particularly with homicides. I do believe more law enforcement resources can be part of the equation and perhaps temporary assistance from the County could be of help. But in general I would like to see more resources put into early positive interventions.BrickCity4470 wrote:Crime is like a virus it spreads rapidly and once it starts its hard trying to stop it... It's become an epidemic here in St.Louis and until we find the right cure its going to continue. Too many innocent lives have been taken from guns drugs and thugs ...I really believe the City truly needs the counties help in policing