St. Louis is far safer than the barrios of Colombia.
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Xing wrote:Navigatio wrote:
And Saint Louis or New York isn't Brazil either. It's a vastly different world down there. Not many Westerners would survive long in those neighborhoods.
I'm sure most Americans would have no problem surviving in the neighborhoods by the beach.
I dunno, thongs can be dangerous.
JuiceInDogtown wrote:Moorlander wrote:funny 'breaking and entering' story from friday night. I passed out early after a loooong week at work and when I woke up early Saturday morning there was a drunk stranger asleep on my couch!
Wow! Did you call the po po?
Well Juice,
Turns out the perpatrator is a second year law student at WashU. He admitted to the officer that he was on a party bus at McGurks and doesn't remember anything past around 11. I called the cops after I threw the kid out by his boot straps, and realized he was too drunk to speak, had no coat, and it was 1 degree out.
Kinda funny looking back at it, but it could have been a lot worse.
^He probably thought he was crashing at a friend's house. "I know it's around here somewhere".
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Framer wrote:^He probably thought he was crashing at a friend's house. "I know it's around here somewhere".
Unfortunately, such drunken misunderstandings can be dangerous. A couple weeks ago, in Colorado Springs, one of my brother's friends was so trashed he tried to go into the wrong house. The home owner, protected by Colorado's "Make My Day" law, shot and killed what he thought was an intruder.
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1208/581758.html
Moorlander, good thing you didn't open fire on the guy when you found him.
goat314 wrote:Navigatio wrote:"Personally I'm anti-gun in an urban environment. A lethal weapon has no business in high density areas."
If only gangs, murderers, and rapists thought the same. Not sure why the author is a "nut" either. There are lots of things I don't like about Slay (Democrat, anti-gun, liberal, etc, etc) but he's still the best guy for the job out of the current possibilities that could hold the office. But then maybe I'm crazy.
And Saint Louis or New York isn't Brazil either. It's a vastly different world down there. Not many Westerners would survive long in those neighborhoods.
Cant fight fire with fire though. If citizens start going out there shooting criminals, we are going to have a lot of dead people (I'm not a advocate of violence on any side).
Our murder rates are more comparable to Brazil than the UK and every other developed nation on earth. Most people wouldn't survive long in most of our gun and drug infested inner cities either. I've experienced North St. Louis, Watts, West and South Chicago, large parts of DC and Baltimore and let me tell you. I didn't know if I was America or Beirut. My point is Inner City Houston is a far different place than Fort Bliss, Texas....I agree with arming the soldiers but get guns OFF the streets.
I didn't say citizens should go out and hunt down gangs. Simply that they should have a means of immediate self defense. The police show up ten minutes AFTER the event is already over. Hardly ever in the process. I,too, have worked all through North St Louis, the projects of DC, etc. And even those aren't Beirut. The Middle East has a distinct, Third World smell to it.
Outside the more elite military units, not many Americans could last a day in Colombia, Somalia, South Africa, or even Juarez, Mexico. Our worst cities don't even compare to entire nations that have been run by cartels and terrorist groups for decades. Juarez beheads people just like we've seen in the War on Terror. North StL is spray and pray and run when the police sirens are heard. They won't go toe to toe with cops. Mexico kills its own army.
Navigatio wrote:goat314 wrote:Navigatio wrote:"Personally I'm anti-gun in an urban environment. A lethal weapon has no business in high density areas."
If only gangs, murderers, and rapists thought the same. Not sure why the author is a "nut" either. There are lots of things I don't like about Slay (Democrat, anti-gun, liberal, etc, etc) but he's still the best guy for the job out of the current possibilities that could hold the office. But then maybe I'm crazy.
And Saint Louis or New York isn't Brazil either. It's a vastly different world down there. Not many Westerners would survive long in those neighborhoods.
Cant fight fire with fire though. If citizens start going out there shooting criminals, we are going to have a lot of dead people (I'm not a advocate of violence on any side).
Our murder rates are more comparable to Brazil than the UK and every other developed nation on earth. Most people wouldn't survive long in most of our gun and drug infested inner cities either. I've experienced North St. Louis, Watts, West and South Chicago, large parts of DC and Baltimore and let me tell you. I didn't know if I was America or Beirut. My point is Inner City Houston is a far different place than Fort Bliss, Texas....I agree with arming the soldiers but get guns OFF the streets.
I didn't say citizens should go out and hunt down gangs. Simply that they should have a means of immediate self defense. The police show up ten minutes AFTER the event is already over. Hardly ever in the process. I,too, have worked all through North St Louis, the projects of DC, etc. And even those aren't Beirut. The Middle East has a distinct, Third World smell to it.
Outside the more elite military units, not many Americans could last a day in Colombia, Somalia, South Africa, or even Juarez, Mexico. Our worst cities don't even compare to entire nations that have been run by cartels and terrorist groups for decades. Juarez beheads people just like we've seen in the War on Terror. North StL is spray and pray and run when the police sirens are heard. They won't go toe to toe with cops. Mexico kills its own army.
The more you know, the less you have to be afraid of. I've never been scared in Juarez.
NSI (2300 Locust) got hit last night. Smash and grab. The derelicts threw a brick thru one of the window panes and made off with a flat screen.
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I hope the next crash is their last. Not saying I want them killed, but they deserve to be stopped.
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They must be stopped; they deserve serious prison minimally.STLCardsBlues1989 wrote:I hope the next crash is their last. Not saying I want them killed, but they deserve to be stopped.
Focus: The City has been repeatedly hit by a series of smash-and-grab flat screen robberies for quite some time. It started in the fall, with a number of spots up & down Washington Ave. being hit (including a few TVs @ my friends' bar), and some places more than once. This includes new businesses (I Am Sneaky), established ones (Hair of the Dog), and even chains (Hooters), all with the same MO of panel TV theft. If this keeps up, we'll be seeing bars in the windows or metal grates coming down over storefronts on a much more frequent basis, and that won't do much for new business investment at all.
These guys are organized & work fast, beating security alarm response times; best protection for businesses with panel TVs is to firmly bolt yours to the walls. However, with these guys, I'd also recommend:
- security cameras.
- a hungry rottweiler waiting inside.
- going Charles Bronson on them.
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They should learn from the Fed and have a guy with a gun up in a cubby hole in a wall. 
bikin'_man wrote:or a roll up door that is very frequent in new york.
That always looks great.
how about windows that when broken start firing a spray of bullets into these little subhumans?! 
how about a copy that "walks the beat" on washington avenue? whatever happened to this concept? they can be heavily armed to shoot dead the subhumans.
how about a copy that "walks the beat" on washington avenue? whatever happened to this concept? they can be heavily armed to shoot dead the subhumans.
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My car has been broken in to 3 times in as many months.
Affton is looking better all the time
Affton is looking better all the time
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Can someone enlighten me as to what Giuliani did in NYC to help deter these petty crimes?
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^Gun control had a lot to do with decreasing crime in general. But for deterring petty crimes, the "Broken Window" approach (that has been discussed elsewhere on these boards) seems to have made a big difference. They also increased the amount of cops on the streets, which of course cost the city a pretty penny.
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Moorlander wrote:Can someone enlighten me as to what Giuliani did in NYC to help deter these petty crimes?
All that UP mentioned plus he happened to be Mayor during a period of increasing affluence and more and more wealthy people moved to Manhattan, decreasing the crime rate. Imagine being the mayor when unemployment increases from 5-12%. You can take all the broken window theories in the world and crime is still going to increase (though all crime-fighting measures are important to utilize so that crime doesn't increase more than it would otherwise!
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yeah Guiliani definitely benefited from the national economy booming and declining crime rates everywhere in the 90's due to demographic changes. But he deserves credit for using that opportunity to implement the Broken Windows theory and also his willingness to work with the Clinton administration on crime issues (more cops on the street).
The 70's and 80's were just rough years for NYC and the 90's definitely saw a renaissance there. But I wonder why Chicago, which also reversed it's population decline in the 90's, didn't get similar attention and huzzahs for Mayor Daley?
The 70's and 80's were just rough years for NYC and the 90's definitely saw a renaissance there. But I wonder why Chicago, which also reversed it's population decline in the 90's, didn't get similar attention and huzzahs for Mayor Daley?
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ok, now can someone learn me about this 'Broken Windows' policy?
gracias
gracias
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^ You know Moorlander, sometimes I really appreciate your contributions to this forum and then sometimes - geesh - it's like you're a three-year-old. There's a great website called Wikipedia, you should check it out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows
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^LOL so true... can't you just read it and post a summary for me...? Oh and have that for me by noon today. 
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actually Grover you should be flattered that he considers the posters on this forum to be a higher authority on the subject than Wikipedia
Moorlander wrote:ok, now can someone learn me about this 'Broken Windows' policy?
gracias
Theory is that disheveled and uncared for areas make other people not give a damn.
If stuff looks nice people feel out of place messing it up. If it already looks messed up, hell, let's mess it up more.
Think about when you were a kid and went into someplace *really* fancy - how angelic of a child were you? Now think of if you went into someplace that was a total dump? You'd expect to act different, and likely would.