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PostMar 29, 2011#1676

Robbery and shooting at Morgan Ford and Beethoven.

http://www.ksdk.com/news/crime/article/ ... n-hospital

Wonder if the guy holding his nuts on this 'street view' image was casing the joint. ..

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PostMar 29, 2011#1677

All I can say about the cell phone pic/Carlos Boles mess is that we all need to realize who the cop-killing thug criminal is here. The officers are not criminals, nor did they commit a crime. I don't care what they did. I will never feel sorry for Boles or feel bad about his pic being circulated. Those officers put their lives on the line for the public and this is how they are rewarded. It should be said that taking the pic was in bad taste, not common practice and not endorsed by the Dept. and left at that. Those guys are very good officers, who have served this City to make it safer. They should not lose their jobs, nor should they be removed from units or suspended. A handslap is sufficient and compares to what most street thugs get for the "real" crimes.

Just my take......

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PostMar 29, 2011#1678

DogtownBnR wrote:All I can say about the cell phone pic/Carlos Boles mess is that we all need to realize who the cop-killing thug criminal is here. The officers are not criminals, nor did they commit a crime. I don't care what they did. I will never feel sorry for Boles or feel bad about his pic being circulated. Those officers put their lives on the line for the public and this is how they are rewarded. It should be said that taking the pic was in bad taste, not common practice and not endorsed by the Dept. and left at that. Those guys are very good officers, who have served this City to make it safer. They should not lose their jobs, nor should they be removed from units or suspended. A handslap is sufficient and compares to what most street thugs get for the "real" crimes.

Just my take......
They should post the photo on a billboard.

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PostMar 29, 2011#1679

^Couldn't agree more!!!

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PostMar 29, 2011#1680

Great post DogTown. The media is making such a big deal about this, yet they showed, over and over again, Marshall Perry's body being carried to the ambulance and announcing that he was dead, then retracting that info, before the family even knew the real case. So people get to see a dead LEO being carried while hearing he is dead, then hearing he's not dead, then it ending up he is dead.


Anyone else see the pic? They show worse on tv, it's just a lot of blood.

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PostMar 30, 2011#1681

Why mayor Slay continues to report crime rates to the FBI is beyond me. Why mayor Slay, why?
In the United States, police department accreditation requires reporting UCR statistics to the State. The only way to stop reporting and keep accreditation would be to convince the State to stop reporting (which is not going to happen, because then Missouri State Highway Patrol would lose their accreditation).

On the three ways for changing the analysis... St Louis County Police reports statistics separately for each jurisdiction they patrol. Simply patrolling a new area would do nothing to change St Louis City's stats unless the department decided to aggregate all stats for areas they patrol. CQ Press seems to be hit and miss on whether or not they drop cities that aggregate stats with other areas. The City does have some leeway to change how they report, and if they really wanted, could probably adjust their stats to a method that CQ Press would not accept. I doubt that would happen though; look at the amount of flack the department took just for changing property crime reporting to the method used by virtually every other city in the country, solely because that changed caused reported rates to drop.

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PostMar 30, 2011#1682

Hey, speaking of crimes, did you all know that encrypted notes found at the scene of an unsolved murder in St. Louis in 1999 have completely stumped the FBI's cryptanalysis unit for more than a decade? They have even posted the notes online in an effort to crowd-source a solution. Check it out: http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011/ma ... sis_032911

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PostMar 30, 2011#1683

Can people please stop thinking of mathematical equations to "lower" our crime rate? St. Louis has a lot of violent criminals. We've had several Police Officers shot and some killed. Instead of figuring out ways to make the city crime problem seem less, well, problematic, let's think of ways to combat the very real crime that plagues a lot of areas. The "Most Dangerous" ranking doesn't need to be inferred as "If you step outside of your home you'll get gangraped and shot". Let's take it for what it is. This ranking is for the CITY, not the metro. Stop saying, "Well, if we include the county then we aren't that bad". It's not like the study is using crime statistics from the entire metro and applying it only to the city limits. Obviously we city residents know the entire city isn't engulfed in a gang war. The only people who take that scenario from these rankings are obviously very irrational.

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PostMar 30, 2011#1684

Unfortunately, these rankings do create a very real perception that St Louis (the whole region) is a gang war engulfed danger zone. I certainly had plenty of relatives that were extremely concerned about me moving to St Louis County because of St Louis City's crime rankings. (And this after I lived in both south Chicago near the University of Chicago and exposition park/south central Los Angeles).
So, while the rankings do not matter as much for people who live here and should understand the real issues, they are very significant for people (and businesses) that could move here. The inaccurate picture portrayed by the rankings could very well justify gaming the numbers for a more appropriate ranking.

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PostMar 30, 2011#1685

I agree. For most people around the country, this ranking may be the only thing they hear about St. Louis year after year. So it is all they know. This and Anheuser Busch.

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PostMar 30, 2011#1686

We recently hired a post-doc from Ireland. When he or anyone he knew unfamiliar with St Louis looked it up, what did they find out? Luckily for us he knew people who lived here and knew the people he'd be working with.

Worse when he got here everyone would bring up crime. He knew enough about statistics and big cities to be skeptical of such rankings, but when we all talked about it, it certainly didn't help. It is as much a hang-up amongst ourselves as it is what gets projected about us around the world. It's a psychological block that keeps us from stopping crime in a more coordinated fashion or tackling other problems (i.e. the City can't become a part of the County because all that crime will come with it or all is lost in the City; it's the most dangerous after all)

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PostMar 30, 2011#1687

It doesn't bother me any. Parts of the city are pretty damn dangerous. Look at the SLMPD Crime Mapping service and find out which areas are safer than others. If you wish to change perceptions, educate people or help reunite the city and county.

Just don't lie about crime statistics. We all learned when we were young that lying is wrong.

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PostMar 31, 2011#1688

Disclaimer: I'm not trying to defend Boles here, just make a broader point about why I think the cops who took/forwarded the picture did a bad/unprofessional thing, so please don't accuse me of "taking the side of the criminals over the cops," because that's not what's going on.
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Tony Johnson, who lives nearby, explained why he thinks many in a crowd of about 100 people were growing increasingly angry as they waited outside the home..

"Complete anger," he said. "People around here don't like cops."
Source: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... 2bc8b.html
I think this highlights the problem with police officers taking cell phone pictures that get forwarded, especially out of the department. Part of the solution to high crime is increased cooperation from the high-crime neighborhoods. The neighborhood-at-large needs to have a good relationship with the police if they are going to trust the police. Obviously in this particular neighborhood people do not have a good relationship with the police, and I think taking a picture of a dead guy, regardless of who he is and what he did, and forwarding it around comes across as unprofessional and disrespectful not only to that guy but to his family and the community. It's certainly not going to improve the community's opinion of the police, which is something I think is an important component of "solving the crime problem." I don't think anyone should lose a job over this, but I think it should be made clear that this is unacceptable.

As far as why the media can show the pictures, I think they have a pretty different responsibility than the police.

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PostMar 31, 2011#1689

Our inappropriate spot on the CQ Press rankings has real consequences for St. Louis, none of which really do anything to reduce crime...When real people are more afraid of living in St. Louis than south Chicago or south central LA, something is wrong and needs to be corrected...

Yes, lying is wrong...But the world is a big, complicated place...One man's honest crime gathering stats are lies to another man with different methods, right? I think St. Louis needs to get smart and do better at winning this PR battle while also continuing to work to lowering crime...

Getting off this sh** list would help influence additional outside investment in St. Louis, something that would clearly help with our crime issues...

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PostApr 01, 2011#1690

^^
disrespectful not only to that guy but to his family and the community.
Besides the Boles family, local thugs and thug sympathizers, nobody in that neighborhood gives a damn about Boles or his picture being passed around, nor do they care about disrespecting him. I can say that because I know several people that live in that N'hood. A large portion of the people in that area want their neighborhood back from the thugs and would be happy to see that picture on a "this could happen to you" billboard.
Just because some random thug sympathizers got on the news and ranted about distrust, anger towards the "Po-Po's" does not mean those few speak for the entire community.

Let's be realistic, officers taking pictures of crime scenes is not something that ONLY happens within the STLPD. It happens everywhere. It just so happens, that one careless officer, sent a picture out to the wrong person and they got caught. You are naive, if you think this only goes on here.

PostApr 01, 2011#1691

PS- Another thing I'll mention. I really don't think the picture was taken to pass on and say "ewww, look at this gross picture" "isn't it gross?"
It was likely more of a "look guys, this should make you feel better about this POS killing one of our own and trying to kill a few others" "he got what he deserved". I am not saying they should have done it, but you must also consider the emotions and rush that the officer must have felt after participating in a shoot-out with that low-life thug/cop-killer. Like I said before, a hand slap is about all that is needed. We all know that politics and the media coverage will force the Dept. to do much more than that. Ridiculous!!

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PostApr 01, 2011#1692

Also of note: This outcry from these few thugs and the Boles "family", and the SLU pansy complaining to police about the photo, prompted this over reaching investigation by internal affairs in an effort to appease some taxpaying citizens (Boles' family I'm sure pay their fair share of taxes). I don't get how this is happening with the apparent lack of "accountability" claimed by the pro-local control crowd.

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PostApr 01, 2011#1693

^Could that picture be forwarded on for future inclusion in a "Scared Straight" initiative?

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PostApr 07, 2011#1694

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... 0f31a.html


Bank robbery with shots fired, police chase with suspect shooting at the cops, cop gets shot, both suspects shot, and now bomb squad is deployed because of possible explosives in the suspect's truck.



Maybe this will be counted as 1 count of bank robbery, I don't want it to "appear" that this was a gun battle with mutiple people shot. That wouldn't look good.

PostApr 09, 2011#1695

http://www.kmov.com/news/crime/Two-men- ... 31834.html


And cops getting shot at again, add this to the several other incidents in the CITY this year, and it's only early April. Our Mayor and other politicians need to get serious about crime discussion and how to combat it on all fronts.

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PostApr 11, 2011#1696

One down, one to go. I hope they both get the chair.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... f6878.html

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PostApr 17, 2011#1697

A 72 year old Asian man was beaten and killed by 4 people near 3800 S. Spring last night.

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PostApr 17, 2011#1698

http://www.fox2now.com/news/ktvi-man-di ... 1126.story

Those damn mohawk sporting, tattooed, all black clothes wearing, punkrocker peckerwoods are at it again! :roll:

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PostApr 19, 2011#1699

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... c0a43.html

I'm sure alot of new immigrants are shocked to find out it's more third-worldy in parts of St. Louis than where they came from.

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PostApr 19, 2011#1700

^ This is truly one of the most disgusting, despicable crimes we've had in the City. This and the LaSalle Park home invasion are crimes that, to me, are very disturbing and unsettling for residents in the City. You have a solid understanding of the risks in the North City. To some extent, you accept some risks living near the Gravois Park area. But this crime is so wrong.

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