What a bunch of hacks, unable to put together data on specific crimes. They'll look at a spreadsheet if tabulated by others, but oooh no they won't want to actually do any work themselves, only take credit for the work of others.
And again, specifically citing StL, this time by their silence. And since we're talking metro areas, this silence is truly deafening.
You know what would be fun? A class-action lawsuit by property owners in the City of Saint Louis against CQ Press.
By citing their selective inclusion of data, they could be accused of maliciously targeting StL, only mentioning StL when they have something bad to say and nothing to say / refusing to mention when good news is evident. Such a suit could state that, because of CQ Press' intentional and repetitive slander against StL, it has negatively impacted the property values of those involved in the suit. Bypassing defenses of free speech, this refusal to mention StL for Metro Areas could show a conscious, proactive approach to negatively impacting local real estate values.
Pure shot in the dark, and I'm not going to bring it. Anyone out there liking this? Please follow through.
^ Are you kidding me? We could get 100,000 random americans and have them testify with the question, "When you hear St. Louis, do you think of the city as Dangerous, safe, or neither.
gone corporate wrote:What a bunch of hacks, unable to put together data on specific crimes. They'll look at a spreadsheet if tabulated by others, but oooh no they won't want to actually do any work themselves, only take credit for the work of others.
And again, specifically citing StL, this time by their silence. And since we're talking metro areas, this silence is truly deafening.
You know what would be fun? A class-action lawsuit by property owners in the City of Saint Louis against CQ Press.
By citing their selective inclusion of data, they could be accused of maliciously targeting StL, only mentioning StL when they have something bad to say and nothing to say / refusing to mention when good news is evident. Such a suit could state that, because of CQ Press' intentional and repetitive slander against StL, it has negatively impacted the property values of those involved in the suit. Bypassing defenses of free speech, this refusal to mention StL for Metro Areas could show a conscious, proactive approach to negatively impacting local real estate values.
Pure shot in the dark, and I'm not going to bring it. Anyone out there liking this? Please follow through.
There isn't a competent attorney in the world who would take that case. The first thing they would want to know is, who is the injured class? What are their injuries?
Here we go again. Another ranking with us as having the most crime. I got to this from yahoo's front page so I'm sure there are millions reading it. I find this stuff almost laughable now.
gone corporate wrote:What a bunch of hacks, unable to put together data on specific crimes. They'll look at a spreadsheet if tabulated by others, but oooh no they won't want to actually do any work themselves, only take credit for the work of others.
And again, specifically citing StL, this time by their silence. And since we're talking metro areas, this silence is truly deafening.
You know what would be fun? A class-action lawsuit by property owners in the City of Saint Louis against CQ Press.
By citing their selective inclusion of data, they could be accused of maliciously targeting StL, only mentioning StL when they have something bad to say and nothing to say / refusing to mention when good news is evident. Such a suit could state that, because of CQ Press' intentional and repetitive slander against StL, it has negatively impacted the property values of those involved in the suit. Bypassing defenses of free speech, this refusal to mention StL for Metro Areas could show a conscious, proactive approach to negatively impacting local real estate values.
Pure shot in the dark, and I'm not going to bring it. Anyone out there liking this? Please follow through.
There isn't a competent attorney in the world who would take that case. The first thing they would want to know is, who is the injured class? What are their injuries?
I do hope you were joking.
I won't call it a joke, but rather planting an idea into the mind of an aspiring, green, hungry trial lawyer who's interested in making a name for himself while making CQ Press spend a bunch of money having to mount a defense.
Nope, not expecting this to happen, but it sure would be fun if it did.
gone corporate wrote:What a bunch of hacks, unable to put together data on specific crimes. They'll look at a spreadsheet if tabulated by others, but oooh no they won't want to actually do any work themselves, only take credit for the work of others.
And again, specifically citing StL, this time by their silence. And since we're talking metro areas, this silence is truly deafening.
You know what would be fun? A class-action lawsuit by property owners in the City of Saint Louis against CQ Press.
By citing their selective inclusion of data, they could be accused of maliciously targeting StL, only mentioning StL when they have something bad to say and nothing to say / refusing to mention when good news is evident. Such a suit could state that, because of CQ Press' intentional and repetitive slander against StL, it has negatively impacted the property values of those involved in the suit. Bypassing defenses of free speech, this refusal to mention StL for Metro Areas could show a conscious, proactive approach to negatively impacting local real estate values.
Pure shot in the dark, and I'm not going to bring it. Anyone out there liking this? Please follow through.
There isn't a competent attorney in the world who would take that case. The first thing they would want to know is, who is the injured class? What are their injuries?
I do hope you were joking.
I won't call it a joke, but rather planting an idea into the mind of an aspiring, green, hungry trial lawyer who's interested in making a name for himself while making CQ Press spend a bunch of money having to mount a defense.
Nope, not expecting this to happen, but it sure would be fun if it did.
It's highly unlikely that the class would ever get certified, so CQ would spend very little.
gary kreie wrote:CQ Press left St. Louis out of the Metro Area crime rankings for 2010 without explanation. I sent them an email asking why St. Louis metro was not ranked in 2010. Here is their reply:
"The St. Louis metropolitan area in question includes a number of towns in Illinois. (Bond, Calhoun, Clinton, Jersey, Macoupin, Madison, Monroe, and St. Clair). Forcible rape statistics (one of the factors in the rankings) were not available for metropolitan areas across the state of Illinois, thus the St. Louis metropolitan area could not be included in the rankings. "
I talked to the FBI's Criminal Justice Information Services. Turns out IL defines forcible rape to include male/male whereas most other places would call that forcible sodomy so that column is left blank and that breaks CQ's analysis. Stats are delivered from the jurisdiction to the state's UCR program then on to the FBI. The population number in the table comes from the census.
So what do we do about it?
1. Decrease the numerator
2. Increase the denominator
3. Break the analysis
1. Hard
2. I asked if the SLMPD expanded to patrol one of the suburbs but STL CIty's boundaries remained the same what would happen to the population number. He wasn't sure. We certainly don't want to increase the numerator without increasing the denominator by a greater amount! Does anyone know of somewhere where the Central City's namesake PD patrols an area greater than the central city?
3. Sounds like that takes a state policy change of crime definition.
The STLToday story of the US Marshalls and Officer shot in South St. Louis has a number of pictures, and they made the address, 3100 block of Osage, a Google Maps link. From Google Maps and the STLToday pictures it looks like beautiful community with very well kept yards and lots of kids and seniors. And this link shows a big group of kids that Google Maps happened to snap while they drove by:
We live about four blocks away from where this happened. Wasn't even aware of this until my sister texted to ask if we were okay because she saw in the CHICAGO TRIBUNE that there was a shooting in Dutchtown. Fantastic. Apparenty it's on CNN too.
The P-D article paints a great picture -- crowds of people standing around watching, people screaming at the police. Thing is, I'm sure it's all accurate.
Horrible. Two federal officers shot, one in the head, and a City police shot as well. Meanwhile, the streets fill up with angry people, directing their anger at the feds and the police.
From StLtoday.com:
Tony Johnson, who lives nearby, explained why he thinks many in a crowd of about 100 people were growing increasingly angry as they waited outside the home..
"Complete anger," he said. "People around here don't like cops."
Johnson, 22, added: "They should've sent a relative in to talk him out rather than go in shooting."
The danger of crime and criminals in the City is very real, and today makes it all the more obvious. While I lament how the City is ranked by CQ Press, et.al. while not including County data, I absolutely acknowledge how bad it can be in the City. As a citizen, on an election day, I truly hope that we all, as constituents, residents, and voters, can see increased allocations of resources, manpower, and community support for our police, and through that a decrease in the number of days like today. Truly, our City's highest priority.
These events are becoming more and more consistent. I agree with the post above 100% that the danger is very real. I have been a part of many arguments with non-St. Louisians regarding City crime, attempting in vain to help clear the perception that exists of our City, though I will admit this is becoming hard and harder to do. There are no easy solutions but the status-quo must change.
These types of high profile incidents do more to harm an city's reputation than a bunch of smaller but more QOL issues. It's really unfortunate that scumbags like this guy are determined to mar our cities reputation while so many work so hard to fix it. Frustrating to say the least.
It is really too bad about the marshal, I hope he is ok. As for the thug, boo f*cking hoo. One less violent criminal roaming the city. Oh, and the story made national NPR this afternoon. Sigh.
Why bother with saying what this POS' family had to say? And seriously, the dudes sister let her kids live with him, knowing he's been in and out of jail, without knowing what for? And the police should have let a family member go in and talk to him instead of the Police going in and shooting him? Sounds like a bunch of intelligent individuals that the news interviewed.
And what's up with the white chick getting chased on the pics on StlToday? What?
urban_dilettante wrote:Johnson, 22, added: "They should've sent a relative in to talk him out rather than go in shooting."
yeah, except that they didn't "go in shooting" - they returned fire. this sympathizing with criminals bullsh*t is infuriating.
Sure seems like the police were conscientious -- waiting for the kids to get out of the house -- but don't tell that to the idiots to media always seems to find. Everything is the fault of the police. I'm sure this guy's prior convictions were plant jobs. Yep.
Charles Jaco did a great piece on Dutchtown last night on FOX News the Edge.
A very fair assessment of both the positive improvements in the neighborhood and the challenges. Apparently crime is down 33% over 5 yrs. ago in Dutchtown! However there are still pockets with a lot of crime and gang activity.
I sensed a lot of despondence in this thread yesterday and I realize that right now the wounds of the crime as well as the spectacle of idiots protesting the police is still fresh. But we need to keep our chin up and not let this kind of crap define us. Kirkwood has been the scene of similar instances where police were targets and a few loud vocal idiots have not been sympathetic. They don't let that define them and neither should we!
southsidepride wrote:Charles Jaco did a great piece on Dutchtown last night on FOX News the Edge.
I saw the teaser for the Jaco piece and meant to set the DVR but I forgot. I'll have to see if it's on the website.
Sort of OT: I've always been a KSDK (Channel 5) news-watcher but recently have switched over to FOX2, which is funny (to me ), what with the "FOX" in their name and all -- Channel 2 seems to have more balanced (omg, I AM a Fox person?) local content, whereas Channel 5 is totally pandering to the St. Charles County audience, IMO. Oh, and those "I'm Just Sayin' " bits are unwatchable.
I'm not sure if this has been posted yet. But here is a list of the top 25 most dangerous neighborhoods. I think neighborhood to neighbhorhood comparisons are more accurate than city to city.
Notice that Chicago has the most dangrous, and Atlanta has 4 in the top 25.
Metal thieves have stolen more than $4.6 million in copper and other metal in St. Louis since the beginning of 2010 — and that's just the best guess of police based on 3,485 reported burglaries and thefts.
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Representatives from scrap businesses, the city, the courts, law enforcement agencies, utilities and a railroad met at St. Louis' South Patrol Division to discuss ways to deter metal thefts and to bring those responsible to justice.
Sounds like they're trying to get scrap dealers to do their part in not buying stolen copper. One suggestion is mailing checks to a name and address rather than paying cash for amounts under $500. Another is distributing pictures of known criminals to the yards. It seems like this could help reputable scrap dealers avoid dealing with stolen copper, but something tells me that there's always someone with a little less conscience around the next corner.