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Someone was done Nancy Kerrigan style outside City Hall today on Tucker for proposing a plan for new mixed-use construction on the Gateway Mall. I am told by someone at the Post Dispatch that another young idealist was b****-slapped after he argued for a moratorium on new downtown parking facilities. Not long ago an executive at one of our local green builders was threatened when he considered running for alderman. I think we should focus on real crime in our City not these random acts of hooliganism.

Doug wrote:Someone was done Nancy Kerrigan style outside City Hall today on Tucker for proposing a plan for new mixed-use construction on the Gateway Mall. I am told by someone at the Post Dispatch that another young idealist was b****-slapped after he argued for a moratorium on new downtown parking facilities. Not long ago an executive at one of our local green builders was threatened when he considered running for alderman. I think we should focus on real crime in our City not these random acts of hooliganism.

By "real crime" I suspect you mean crime committed by rich white people. No racism there, move along folks.

I think someone getting shot is a real crime. The items Doug mentions are terrible as well.

I'm saying this thread is ridiculous. Posting and b*tching about crime. Why do we need to reiterate stltoday observations albeit only with more political correctness and insight? By 100 pages have we found any solutions?

Doug wrote:I'm saying this thread is ridiculous. Posting and b*tching about crime. Why do we need to reiterate stltoday observations albeit only with more political correctness and insight? By 100 pages have we found any solutions?

Yes. We have found solutions. But not ones you will like.

Sugar & Lure? Gone.

debaliviere wrote:

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:

Doug wrote:I'm saying this thread is ridiculous. Posting and b*tching about crime. Why do we need to reiterate stltoday observations albeit only with more political correctness and insight? By 100 pages have we found any solutions?

Yes. We have found solutions. But not ones you will like.

Sugar & Lure? Gone.

Just as long as Sugar 2.0 and Lure 2.0 don't take their places.

That's the key. We need to educate people along Washington, especially new folks who may move in, so that when Sugar/Lure 2.0 comes along to collect signatures for their new liquor license, that people decline to sign.

^ better 100 pages on crime than 300 on Ballpark Village

In re: Why post about crime? Why does this thread exist?

Well, as a resident of Downtown, I want to know of the major crimes proximate to where I live. As I'm nearby many of the recent shoorings (within 5 blocks), I'm intently curious to know of people being shot on the same sidewalks I walk down.

I first moved Downtown in the fall of 2006. While hosting friends from out-of-town around Christmastime, we were sitting around, having some drinks, listening to music, catching up, when a spotlight from above shone down into my place before passing further to the street below. We looked out and saw three police cars blocking off a car, the passengers therein being promptly arrested. That spotlight: police chopper with the high beams on (a.k.a. ghetto flashlight). Some of my guests were shocked, others were honestly impressed, and a few of us remained indifferent.

Many of us on this thread live in the City and acknowledge that we live in a dense area where crimes take place. Downtown fortunately doesn't have many muggings, but we do have first degree weapons violence take place. As a resident, I want to know of this and find knowledge-based value here. It doesn't change my mind about Downtown StL being more violent than some outer suburb, but it doesn't change my mind about my wanting to live here, either.

In furtherance, should there be a string of properties being robbed in another neighborhood, say Dogtown or Tower Grove, alerting people on this thread could be more effective than hoping for "word of mouth" from your neighbors on being careful to lock your door or whatever other deterrent may be practical.

Remember Full Metal Jacket: if it wasn't for unlocked foot lockers, there'd be no thievery in the world. This thread could remind people to take care of themselves and to be alert. Ounce of prevention.

leeharveyawesome wrote:Living in the "city" makes some people feel "cool" with it's often "gritty" surroundings.

Usually, young rich white suburban mama's boys.

...wait, what?

leeharveyawesome wrote:Living in the "city" makes some people feel "cool" with it's often "gritty" surroundings.

Usually, young rich white suburban mama's boys.

I'm not cool. I clean up the "grit" as often as possible. I'm not rich. I am white. I didn't grow up in a suburb. I rarely speak to my "mama".

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^ I contribute to unruliness as often as possible (which isn't very often and typically involved not quite coming to a full stop at a stop sign on my bicycle in Forest Park)

lukethedrifter wrote:

Alex Ihnen wrote:

leeharveyawesome wrote:Living in the "city" makes some people feel "cool" with it's often "gritty" surroundings.

Usually, young rich white suburban mama's boys.

I'm not cool. I clean up the "grit" as often as possible. I'm not rich. I am white. I didn't grow up in a suburb. I rarely speak to my "mama".

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I think he was referring to some of the city's visitors that contribute to the unruliness. But I might be wrong.

He did use the term "living".

leeharveyawesome wrote:Living in the "city" makes some people feel "cool" with it's often "gritty" surroundings.

Usually, young rich white suburban mama's boys.

Lee Harvey, you insinuating something posting that right after me? If so, then PM and say it. Just because I rock, doesn't mean I'm made of stone, and if you've got something personal to address for some reason, then say it off forum. I'll leave it as my coolness doesn't reflect that I live in the "city"; it has considerably more to do with my intelligence, confidence, wit, and insatiable good looks. I'd actually say that what living in Downtown has done to me is instead make me more indifferent where otherwise I'd give a care. Plus, lofted ceilings mean I don't bang my head against ceilings or doorways anymore like it happened when I lived in Clayton (add "tall" to the above). That's a benefit that keeps me out of the County.

Otherwise, let's get back on topic. We've got a lot of gun play to gossip about.

It's a sensitive day on the forum huh?