Take a look at this article.....you think our crime problems are bad!!?!! 
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... wD9EUAE100
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... wD9EUAE100
Just watched several cops chasing a suspect on the actual highway (170 at Page). He jumped out of an SUV on the northbound ramp (170 and Page), ran on to the highway, was chased in traffic on foot and was caught in some bushes, just on the edge of the highway and the Alberici property. Traffic must be backed up for miles and miles. Reminded me of an episode of cops!
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There was a murder last night in ONSL; the victim was a resident of the Crown Square Apartments. Not good.
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http://interact.stltoday.com/blogzone/s ... four-dead/
It was a bad weekend in general for crime in STL.
It was a bad weekend in general for crime in STL.
Quiet! From what we understand, it was targeted and completely personal. Still not good to have a murder, but it was not random.DeBaliviere wrote:There was a murder last night in ONSL; the victim was a resident of the Crown Square Apartments. Not good.
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You know that's not going to matter to the StlToday commenteers [sic].MattnSTL wrote:Quiet! From what we understand, it was targeted and completely personal. Still not good to have a murder, but it was not random.DeBaliviere wrote:There was a murder last night in ONSL; the victim was a resident of the Crown Square Apartments. Not good.
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http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument
What kind of relative guns down family members. Sick MF'er!!!!
Anyone have a crime perspective on the state streets and that neighborhood? I haven't followed that neighborhood and it's crime stats. Has that area gotten worse, better or unchanged over the last 5 or so years? I sure hope this is not a random act. You never want violence, but random violence puts people on edge, thinking it could be them next, scary! Then again, you catch 10 thug murderers and there are 10 more ready to do the same thing. Frustrating!
What kind of relative guns down family members. Sick MF'er!!!!
Anyone have a crime perspective on the state streets and that neighborhood? I haven't followed that neighborhood and it's crime stats. Has that area gotten worse, better or unchanged over the last 5 or so years? I sure hope this is not a random act. You never want violence, but random violence puts people on edge, thinking it could be them next, scary! Then again, you catch 10 thug murderers and there are 10 more ready to do the same thing. Frustrating!
We are about six blocks southeast of this crime scene and have been there about 2 1/2 years.DOGTOWNB&R wrote:http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument
What kind of relative guns down family members. Sick MF'er!!!!
Anyone have a crime perspective on the state streets and that neighborhood? I haven't followed that neighborhood and it's crime stats. Has that area gotten worse, better or unchanged over the last 5 or so years? I sure hope this is not a random act. You never want violence, but random violence puts people on edge, thinking it could be them next, scary! Then again, you catch 10 thug murderers and there are 10 more ready to do the same thing. Frustrating!
I haven't followed the crime stats all that closely, so all I have is anecdotes and my own observations. But it sure seems like it's gotten worse in the last year. It's just a**holes. These people just don't care about anything. They roam around, do whatever the hell they want, destroy stuff, yell and scream in the streets, etc. The other day, immediately in front of my house while I was watering flowers, I watched a girl who had to have been high throw a glass bottle at a passing car. The dude got out of the car and started yelling at her. At that point she ran and got into the driver's seat like she was going to steal his car. He ran up to the car and from the outside started pounding his fist into her face. Probably 10 times. I don't think she felt a thing. He then dragged her out of the car and drove off. And all this happened 20 feet from me as I stood there and watched. Nobody seemed to care that I saw all this.
There just isn't any shame or sense of self-respect, and I don't know how you fix that.
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Updates on the shooting indicate police have a suspect in mind who is the father of one of the victim's children and owed child support. So while senseless and barbaric, at least the crime was NOT a random home invasion.
It seems to me that stretch of Chippewa between Grand and Jefferson as well as a few of the streets crossing it are still pretty rough. While most of south city is improving that corner of Dutchtown/Gravois Park seems to be languishing.
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It seems to me that stretch of Chippewa between Grand and Jefferson as well as a few of the streets crossing it are still pretty rough. While most of south city is improving that corner of Dutchtown/Gravois Park seems to be languishing.
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It definitely is, and I've talked to the city apparatus and they are aware of it, but there's only so much they can do. More police isn't going to stop idiocy like this.southsidepride wrote:It seems to me that stretch of Chippewa between Grand and Jefferson as well as a few of the streets crossing it are still pretty rough. While most of south city is improving that corner of Dutchtown/Gravois Park seems to be languishing.
kujay's anecdote about the bottle-throwing fight brings up an important point: chances are that incident wasn't even reported to the police, so it won't show up in crime stats. Where, if it had happened in South Hampton, it almost definitely would have.
That's why crime stats are not the be-all, end-all when it comes to assessing a neighborhood's safety. Dutchtown and Tower Grove South may not look that different on paper. But I think everybody would agree there's a world of difference in terms of the petty but still aggravating/frightening crap that's more or less tolerated in rougher neighborhoods because there's just too damn much of it to keep up with.
If safety is important to someone, I would never, ever advise them to choose a neighborhood based solely on official crime statistics. (Nor, of course, would I advise them to choose based solely on horrific anecdotes.)
That's why crime stats are not the be-all, end-all when it comes to assessing a neighborhood's safety. Dutchtown and Tower Grove South may not look that different on paper. But I think everybody would agree there's a world of difference in terms of the petty but still aggravating/frightening crap that's more or less tolerated in rougher neighborhoods because there's just too damn much of it to keep up with.
If safety is important to someone, I would never, ever advise them to choose a neighborhood based solely on official crime statistics. (Nor, of course, would I advise them to choose based solely on horrific anecdotes.)
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I'm not going to dispute you but I worked in that neighborhood in from '98 to '02 and it was not a whole lot different. It's been a problem for quite a while.kujay wrote: We are about six blocks southeast of this crime scene and have been there about 2 1/2 years.
I haven't followed the crime stats all that closely, so all I have is anecdotes and my own observations. But it sure seems like it's gotten worse in the last year.
That may well be. Like I said, I've only lived there since early 2008. But even so, the first 18 months or so we had the occasional disturbance and loud people, but nothing serious. Since then we personally have had three break-ins, the vacant building next door has had all the copper stolen out of it and a guy was shot on our block.lukethedrifter wrote:I'm not going to dispute you but I worked in that neighborhood in from '98 to '02 and it was not a whole lot different. It's been a problem for quite a while.kujay wrote: We are about six blocks southeast of this crime scene and have been there about 2 1/2 years.
I haven't followed the crime stats all that closely, so all I have is anecdotes and my own observations. But it sure seems like it's gotten worse in the last year.
Like I said, all anecdotal, but it seems to have ramped up a notch.
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I'm not trying to invalidate your experience, just adding mine. And I treated many gunshot victims in that neighborhood back then.kujay wrote:That may well be. Like I said, I've only lived there since early 2008. But even so, the first 18 months or so we had the occasional disturbance and loud people, but nothing serious. Since then we personally have had three break-ins, the vacant building next door has had all the copper stolen out of it and a guy was shot on our block.lukethedrifter wrote:I'm not going to dispute you but I worked in that neighborhood in from '98 to '02 and it was not a whole lot different. It's been a problem for quite a while.kujay wrote: We are about six blocks southeast of this crime scene and have been there about 2 1/2 years.
I haven't followed the crime stats all that closely, so all I have is anecdotes and my own observations. But it sure seems like it's gotten worse in the last year.
Like I said, all anecdotal, but it seems to have ramped up a notch.
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Looks like the babydaddy is going prison. Scary that people capable of murder at the drop of a hat, are everywhere. Like I said earlier, for every 10 thugs you put in the slammer for murder, 10 more are lined up and ready to kill. Scary! No respect for life whatsoever!!!!
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This is real problem throughout the City, can you tell us if you have an alarm, if it worked, how the person got (and out) of your home? The two break-ins nearest my home in the past two years have been one without an alarm-the person got wiped out, $5K worth of stuff at 10am on a Tuesday, the other had a basement door kicked in at about 6pm, the alarm went off and the person left.kujay wrote:Since then we personally have had three break-ins,
We have an alarm and it was operating properly. The first time a window was left unlocked. It was closed but just not locked. So the alarm didn't go off until they opened the back door to leave with purse/wallet/jewelry.Alex Ihnen wrote:This is real problem throughout the City, can you tell us if you have an alarm, if it worked, how the person got (and out) of your home? The two break-ins nearest my home in the past two years have been one without an alarm-the person got wiped out, $5K worth of stuff at 10am on a Tuesday, the other had a basement door kicked in at about 6pm, the alarm went off and the person left.kujay wrote:Since then we personally have had three break-ins,
The others were kick-ins and run before anyone could get there.
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So theres a drug dealer that walks up and down Roger in Tower Grove South, between Gravois and just south of Friendlys at Potomac. I don't know how far south he roams, but his central location is at the "triangle" if you know what I mean. Hes been there for years now, now he is coming north of Friendlys, and bad behavior seems to follow him. He has long dreads, and sometimes big sunglasses. He isnt a huge menace in/of himself, almost seems benevolent, but now he is fueling idiotic daytime (every day) behavior at the apartment across the street from me, and i'm at a breaking point. Obviously I can't call 911 for a drug dealer or open drug use in the city of St. Louis, what am I supposed to do? Is my tolerance for others behavior abnormally low? Theres people running across my back yard, and I havent seen a 3rd district police cruiser around for months, I guess they are keeping busy east of me...meanwhile...
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You can't? Since when?warwickland wrote:Obviously I can't call 911 for a drug dealer or open drug use in the city of St. Louis, what am I supposed to do?
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In my small world, apparently since a smart drug dealer started openly plying his trade on Roger several years ago.The Central Scrutinizer wrote:You can't? Since when?warwickland wrote:Obviously I can't call 911 for a drug dealer or open drug use in the city of St. Louis, what am I supposed to do?
Call 911 and describe the activity and give the best description you can. You absolutely call the police for drug activity.
If you want to get him you might need to get a bit underhanded. Next time you see him, get a good description and a location--call the cops and tell them that you saw a pistol sticking out of his pocket. They'll come get him quick. If he really is a dealer, they will find something on him and arrest him. If not, no harm done. I am probably going to get yelled at by somebody for suggesting you lie, but, 1. the guy probably is armed, 2. if you want a response, this will get you a response. I did this a few weeks ago, though I legitimately saw a gun, and the cops showed up right away and searched the guy.
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According to neighbors, sometimes he has a small asian child running something between him and somewhere else. Ive not seen this child, but I have seen him personally passing things through car windows. He hangs out on Roger some days, all day. Hes not an idiot, and I doubt he carries much on him. No Joke. Anyone who is familar with the southern part of TGS knows all about this guy, he is practically a mascot, hes been around SO LONG. Anyone can go down there and see him, maybe even a possible deal. Lately he has been less saavy about who he does business with I guess...So saturday he is letting the people across the street ride his new LOUD moped while they all smoke a ton of weed in the open, on the street. Now everyone is perma-blazed across the street, jammed in one apartment on the west side, shouting crazy sh*t whenever i come home in my direction to try to get a rise out of me. My only hope is that they end up pissing off the dealer and leave...TGE-ATW wrote:If you want to get him you might need to get a bit underhanded. Next time you see him, get a good description and a location--call the cops and tell them that you saw a pistol sticking out of his pocket. They'll come get him quick. If he really is a dealer, they will find something on him and arrest him. If not, no harm done. I am probably going to get yelled at by somebody for suggesting you lie, but, 1. the guy probably is armed, 2. if you want a response, this will get you a response. I did this a few weeks ago, though I legitimately saw a gun, and the cops showed up right away and searched the guy.
Im positive that someone at the police dept knows of this guy, but hes traditionally been small potatoes, or presented himself as small potatoes, often alone...he has historically smart enough to not raise a lot of hell, but he is very visible and is a fixture of the neighborhood. Hes bringing thugs from all over into the neighborhood, though. I guess its no coincidence now that the fewer cruisers I see, everyones all of the sudden getting bold and stupid. Theres not enough police to go around the 3rd, let alone the entire city.
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Tried the NSO? Get as many of your neighbors as you can to call as well.
http://stlcin.missouri.org/nbr/nsodetail.cfm?nbrhdid=15
http://stlcin.missouri.org/nbr/nsodetail.cfm?nbrhdid=15