Crime Thread

lukethedrifter · PostNov 26, 2009#11512009-11-26T07:24+00:00

DeBaliviere wrote:
lukethedrifter wrote:
DeBaliviere wrote:I gotta say, I'm pretty amazed that there is a gang in this area.

Why are you amazed?

Because Fox Park seems like a pretty nice and stable neighborhood. 2700 Accomac is like two blocks from Compton Heights.

Unfortunately that's not true. Maybe better than 10 years ago but not quite stable.

urbz · PostNov 26, 2009#11522009-11-26T15:26+00:00

^ I, for one, am here to stay. Maybe not completely stable, but FP is still on the way up. I can't imagine living anywhere outside the Jefferson-Gravois-Grand-44 circle. And I was also surprised about the "gang" just a stone's throw from my house, but they don't really bother residents of the neighborhood. It always seems to be someone coming into the neighborhood getting hurt. I'm not justifying in any way, but they seem to be doing a good job of protecting my turf too.

When I tell people the name of the gang, they find it more amusing than anything. The neighborhood's image hasn't been ruined, and the biggest news we've attracted was the meth lab bust on Jefferson between Armand and Shenandoah. Even then, the focus of a lot of the news coverage was on the accident that followed on Broadway.

But yes, 27MAC still needs to go

lukethedrifter · PostNov 26, 2009#11532009-11-26T16:53+00:00

I did not mean to trash Fox Park I just think it's better not to be naive about our neighborhoods. There are a ton of nice places in the neighborhood but it has a ways to go before I would call it stable.

dweebe · PostNov 26, 2009#11542009-11-26T18:10+00:00

lukethedrifter wrote:I did not mean to trash Fox Park I just think it's better not to be naive about our neighborhoods. There are a ton of nice places in the neighborhood but it has a ways to go before I would call it stable.

I agree: still too many rentals in Fox Park right now.

krykel · PostNov 27, 2009#11552009-11-27T04:33+00:00

The Accomac murder was a guy that was just released from prison. The same shooters got another guy in another south city neighborhood (can't remember which one) minutes later. It was no random crime. Actually, this is NOT business as usual in Fox Park, everyone was pretty shocked. For the most part, the Northern part of the neighborhood is stable. The southern part still has a ways to go, but its looking WAY better than it did three years ago. DeSales Housing owns a significant chunk of the rental housing in the neighborhood. They do a good job of getting rid of any problem tenants. To wrap this up, I would consider several of the Fox Park blocks stable, some have a long way to go.

downtown2007 · PostNov 27, 2009#11562009-11-27T13:10+00:00

Has there been any more issues with the Thurs night crowd at Lure?

gregl · PostDec 01, 2009#11572009-12-01T04:37+00:00

krykel wrote:The Accomac murder was a guy that was just released from prison. The same shooters got another guy in another south city neighborhood (can't remember which one) minutes later. It was no random crime. Actually, this is NOT business as usual in Fox Park, everyone was pretty shocked. For the most part, the Northern part of the neighborhood is stable. The southern part still has a ways to go, but its looking WAY better than it did three years ago. DeSales Housing owns a significant chunk of the rental housing in the neighborhood. They do a good job of getting rid of any problem tenants. To wrap this up, I would consider several of the Fox Park blocks stable, some have a long way to go.

Hey now... don't go knocking the south part of Fox Park... in the past four years there have been only two violent crimes south of Shenandoah. One was the murder of an African-American teenager in the middle of the night on an industrial block that was gang related. The other was a shooting on a block known for drug/gang activity.

Overall, there has been more violent crime north of Fox Park -- but overall, I think it's a pretty stable area, outside of a few known blocks.

Greg

bonwich · PostDec 01, 2009#11582009-12-01T17:31+00:00

Smash and grab and the Jones Dome

I'll say it again -- this stuff keeps up and it's going to significantly affect the momentum downtown. If we can't secure our major sports and entertainment venues, what can we secure?

flopoerich · PostDec 01, 2009#11592009-12-01T19:07+00:00

bonwich wrote:Smash and grab and the Jones Dome

I'll say it again -- this stuff keeps up and it's going to significantly affect the momentum downtown. If we can't secure our major sports and entertainment venues, what can we secure?

I feel bad for the victims but the problem I have is the stuff that was stolen... why was this stuff left in cars to begin with?

wallets, purses, GPS systems, sterero systems, I-pods and a leather jacket were taken.

threeonefour · PostDec 01, 2009#11602009-12-01T19:17+00:00

bonwich wrote:Smash and grab and the Jones Dome

I'll say it again -- this stuff keeps up and it's going to significantly affect the momentum downtown. If we can't secure our major sports and entertainment venues, what can we secure?

I don't disagree with you at all- and I sometimes think these quality of life issues and many others are often overlooked as the SLMPD is already thinly stretched.

However, I have to agree with Erich as well, what are people doing leaving these items in their car? And are they being left in plain sight? I can't imagine that thieves would break into a car unless they saw something of value through the windows. Ideally there would be more police officers to patrol these lots, but then we're back to the fact that the department is thinly stretched. Is this a case where they can allocate their resources more efficiently and provide more protection, or are we back to the need to hire more officers?

Either way, I don't want to see downtown's comeback jeopardized, but at the same time, people need to be smart and put valuables out of sight.

brickandmortar · PostDec 01, 2009#11612009-12-01T19:17+00:00

Go to the United Center in Chicago and you'll have the same problem.

flopoerich · PostDec 01, 2009#11622009-12-01T21:13+00:00

ThreeOneFour wrote:
bonwich wrote:Smash and grab and the Jones Dome

I'll say it again -- this stuff keeps up and it's going to significantly affect the momentum downtown. If we can't secure our major sports and entertainment venues, what can we secure?

I don't disagree with you at all- and I sometimes think these quality of life issues and many others are often overlooked as the SLMPD is already thinly stretched.

However, I have to agree with Erich as well, what are people doing leaving these items in their car? And are they being left in plain sight? I can't imagine that thieves would break into a car unless they saw something of value through the windows. Ideally there would be more police officers to patrol these lots, but then we're back to the fact that the department is thinly stretched. Is this a case where they can allocate their resources more efficiently and provide more protection, or are we back to the need to hire more officers?

Either way, I don't want to see downtown's comeback jeopardized, but at the same time, people need to be smart and put valuables out of sight.

Very well stated.

hugh ferriss · PostDec 01, 2009#11632009-12-01T23:48+00:00

A particularly brazen incident on Maryland Plaza yesterday morning:

<a href="http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/st-lou ... /">$16,000 worth of jeans stolen from CWE store</a>

The burglars broke into Adriano Goldschmied at 36 Maryland Plaza about 2:55 a.m., police said. They entered the store by smashing the front door’s glass.

At least in this case there are clear pictures from security cameras, so it should be possible to identify some of the perpetrators, though there's no mention of an alarm being tripped.

juiceinkirkwood · PostDec 02, 2009#11642009-12-02T13:09+00:00

Post Dispatch deliveryman shot in Dogtown, right at the intersection I used to live at.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument

kujay · PostDec 02, 2009#11652009-12-02T13:13+00:00

Speaking of brazen, someone broke into our house through a window the other night while we were sleeping. Stole some things quickly and ran out before we could get a look (or shot) at them, including a spare key that was in my wife's purse. A few hours later, after the police and the crime lab people left and we finally got back to sleep, they came back again and tried to come in the back door with the key. The alarm went off again and they ran again.

We didn't realize they had gotten a key the first time, but obviously the locks are changed now.

We know they had no intention of hurting us, but it wasn't that late. I very easily could have still been up watching television in the next room over.

This is about the limit of what I'm willing to put up with. We love our house, but these stupid bastards don't care about anything.

juiceinkirkwood · PostDec 02, 2009#11662009-12-02T13:31+00:00

^ Nope they don't. I'm telling you people, arm yourselves. I've heard things in the middle of the night and had my gun out 3 times ever since buying it. It is very comforting at 4am.

DogtownBnR · PostDec 02, 2009#11672009-12-02T14:37+00:00

The robbery in Dogtown this morning just disgusts me! Proves that these thugs will shoot to kill for almost anything. What will the robber get in the end? He will get a few bucks and ditch the van in the hood. All of that and this man could of or still may die. Makes you want to hit the streets and become a vigilante. I am so P'd at this stuff and it is getting so much worse. I think it is disturbing how the thugs are out looking for victims so early in the morning. I don't have to final story, but a few weeks ago, the principal at St. James in Dogtown was victimized. I have heard 2 versions of the story. The most common one has her unloading recycling in the school yard, when a thug approached her with a screwdriver and carjacked her. The other just has her car getting stolen that morning, shortly after opening the school. I am trying to confirm either story, but no matter what, it tells you that nobody is safe at any time of day.

juiceinkirkwood · PostDec 02, 2009#11682009-12-02T14:47+00:00

DOGTOWNB&R wrote:The robbery in Dogtown this morning just disgusts me! Proves that these thugs will shoot to kill for almost anything. What will the robber get in the end? He will get a few bucks and ditch the van in the hood. All of that and this man could of or still may die. Makes you want to hit the streets and become a vigilante. I am so P'd at this stuff and it is getting so much worse. I think it is disturbing how the thugs are out looking for victims so early in the morning. I don't have to final story, but a few weeks ago, the principal at St. James in Dogtown was victimized. I have heard 2 versions of the story. The most common one has her unloading recycling in the school yard, when a thug approached her with a screwdriver and carjacked her. The other just has her car getting stolen that morning, shortly after opening the school. I am trying to confirm either story, but no matter what, it tells you that nobody is safe at any time of day.

Amazing, isn't it?

Getting my conceal carry class over with in December.

DogtownBnR · PostDec 02, 2009#11692009-12-02T14:53+00:00

^Getting mine in January.

juiceinkirkwood · PostDec 02, 2009#11702009-12-02T15:01+00:00

^ I'm messaging you.

southsidepride · PostDec 02, 2009#11712009-12-02T15:13+00:00

And it begins, a couple of geniuses on the comment section of STL Today are saying Dogtown should be closed off to "certain ethnic groups".

Ah the greatest minds of the 19th Century!

Now I'm all for the right of responsible citizens to carry arms and defend themselves, but all the delivery guys I've known have carried. Sh*t still happens.

Not trying to get into an argument here (esp. with guys who are armed

just sayin'

DogtownBnR · PostDec 02, 2009#11722009-12-02T20:27+00:00

I confirmed with someone who actually talked to the victim, the principal of St. James in Dogtown, that she was carjacked 2 weeks ago in the schoolyard while unloading recycling into the dumpster. It was before

7 AM. The thug jumped into her car while she was unloading it. He pushed her down and drove it away. They found her car wiped of any valuables in O'Fallon Missouri of all places 2 days ago. Suspect got out of another vehicle and had a screwdriver, assumed in the case he didn't have a key.

Could this crime be linked to the paperman robbery this morning???

^I am so sick and tired of the stltoday commentors. Every crime article is nothing but an arguement about how bad the City is, how they are so grateful they got out, how they will be armed when crossing 270, blah, blah, blah. This mentality and division has been destroying the city and region for decades. Instead of supporting, helping and fighting, they basically pat themselves on the back for moving out to their cookie cutter subdivisions and ripping those who choose to live in the City. Does this type of crime make me sick and p'd off, YES, but that does not mean I or any reasonable person is going to write off our City and abandon it. Can't stand those idiots!!!!!

juiceinkirkwood · PostDec 03, 2009#11732009-12-03T04:07+00:00

^ and ^^

"Barroom hero" and I got in to a 3 or 4 comment exchange because he said he's going bar hopping this weekend in Dogtown and it's "shady over there." He said he packs every time he goes and this time he's bringing an extra clip. I told him to stay out of my neighborhood and stay out at Westport.

He said my 2 years in Dogtown isn't enough to know anything about Dogtown. It's not a huge neighborhood...I feel like I have a pretty good grasp on it. He's lived in neighborhoods south of Dogtown for 28 years!

Oh, yeah, and he said the only neighborhoods he feels safe in is The Hill and St Louis Hills. I pointed out that The Hill has a higher crime rate than any of the three Dogtown neighborhoods. He chose to ignore that factual statement.

southsidepride · PostDec 03, 2009#11742009-12-03T13:51+00:00

^yeah I perused some of the comments on STL Today. I like how you stuck up for your hood, Juice! Of course using facts and logic confuses a lot of the posters over there so don't be surprised they could not keep up

I also like that a couple of posters who have their CCW took "Barroom Hero" to task for irresponsibly (and illegally) packing heat in bars.

My guess is the guy is all talk and he neither leaves his house nor has a CCW.

DogtownBnR · PostDec 03, 2009#11752009-12-03T14:49+00:00

^^That guy on stl today is a troll trying to P people off. That was his goal. He doesn't have a clue if there is any sincerity to what he was saying. I would ignore trolls like that guy.

Regarding Dogtown, lived there most of my life, still have family and involvement in the neighborhood. All I can say is, great people, great area, love it. You can not blame any nice neighborhood, when some disgusting thugs come into your area and commit a crime. Happens everywhere. That is not a reflection on the people or neighborhood as a whole. Things like that are happening everywhere, everyday, no matter where you are. Does it P me off that these thugs are doing this, yes! Does it anger me that idiots on the stltoday comment section think they know, when they dont, yes! those types of people are the reason this City will not be a great city again. They are the ones widening the great city/county divide that holds down the entire region. The region fails if our urban core fails. All of those suburbanites might as well move out of St. Louis if they feel the City is such a lost cause. That signals the failure of the entire region. Idiots!

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