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PostOct 21, 2009#1001

Grover wrote:A variation of this attitude leads people to ask for concrete barricades on their street, etc. People want others to do the work and they hope that one action (installing barricades) will solve the problem.


Interestingly, I saw a story on KTVI this morning, and it looks like some in LaSalle Park (including the Whitrock family) are advocating for the removal of street barricades. Those in favor of street barricade removal say that their presence prevents the police from regularly patrolling their streets. I say they have a good point, because in most cases, I'm not sure those barricades serve their intended purpose all that well.



It sounded like opinion among residents was divided. I'm sure some feel safer with the barricades in place for the reasons you mentioned, but I think those in favor of removing them have a great point about how they may do more harm than good in some cases.

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PostOct 21, 2009#1002

^ Yes, excellent points.



In an ideal world, neighborhoods would:



-have daily to weekly neighborhood walks, peace marches, pub crawls, and other events that get neighbors speaking to one another and put their eyes and feet on the street



-have monthly citizen-led "problem properties" neighborhood walk-throughs looking for code violations that would then be reported to the Citizens Service Bureau. Dutchtown West, a new neighborhood organization, has done this in the past and took photos that are available on their website (http://www.dutchtownwest.org/).



-have alderman that drive around, even if just for a half hour, at night to provide an extra layer of security/property maintenance. I know Shane Cohn (25th – Dutchtown) and Antonio French (21st – Penrose, O’Fallon) Tweet that they do neighborhood drive-throughs quite often.



-have police officers WALKING, BIKING, and possibly on horseback to the extent possible. I realize this is a major commitment of resources—I did preface this as an “ideal world”.



-while this is more of a stretch, think about it for a moment: do whatever you can to invest in your neighborhood commercial artery. Crime in the Grove/FPSE has plummeted since Manchester has become more of a neighborhood center rather than forlorn wasteland; Gravois/Morgan Ford’s Bosnian businesses really helped soup up Bevo; Morgan Ford in TGS is transformed, and that half of the neighborhood is seeing tons of improvement. These stories repeat themselves across the city. Have a logical, walkable neighborhood center with investments and you’ll see that criminals have fewer opportunities to commit violent crime. Neighbors and business owners become more vigilant and caring of their investments; property values slowly rise; etc. Now, larceny will probably increase, but the truly scary stuff should decrease.



-Leave on porch lights. Again to the extent possible, have pedestrian scaled lighting installed on the block. A well-lit neighborhood is an essential part of crime prevention—they serve as literal spotlights on criminals.



-Crime cameras have worked in some places and have shown no effect in others. I know they used these in the Grove for a while, but I’m not sure how well they worked there or what the SLMPD reported on them. Anyone? Anyhow , they seem like a possible solution to persistent property crime. Pedestrians on camera equipped blocks might breathe a bit easier too.



The overall goal should be to get more people walking, biking, and, yes, driving too. There are a lot of routes to that destination.



Opening up as many streets as possible is a good goal to removing the semi-private status of many neighborhoods and blocks might help (Forest Park Southeast, Shaw, LaSalle Park, Lafayette Square, etc.). In the long term category again, interstates are a huge barrier for pedestrians, vehicles, visibility, beautification, adjacent property values, etc. I am all for anything that can be done to minimize their impact; from better lighting, painting them, putting cameras in underpasses; putting public art underneath them; painting neighborhood names and symbols on them; turning them into “urban boulevards” with 40mph speed limits and center medians; tunneling them; or removing them altogether (I know, yeah right). The city is simply too chopped up for its own good. Walking from Soulard to downtown or vice versa should not be so difficult and ugly (and yes, potentially dangerous—you’ll be the only one trekking down South 7th Street, I promise you).



Okay, that’s all from me for now.

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PostOct 21, 2009#1003

The DeMun area on the city/Clayton border has had a recent rash of car breakins and damage. Notices have gone out to residents to be on the lookout.

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PostOct 21, 2009#1004

Matt Drops The H wrote:
-have daily to weekly neighborhood walks, peace marches, pub crawls, and other events that get neighbors speaking to one another and put their eyes and feet on the street
Already do that down here on Wash ave.


Matt Drops The H wrote:
-have monthly citizen-led "problem properties" neighborhood walk-throughs looking for code violations that would then be reported to the Citizens Service Bureau. Dutchtown West, a new neighborhood organization, has done this in the past and took photos that are available on their website (http://www.dutchtownwest.org/).
Already talked to our PPO and they can't get our problem properties taken care of because our Alderwoman is too busy "coming to the table" with NLEC.


Matt Drops The H wrote:
-have alderman that drive around, even if just for a half hour, at night to provide an extra layer of security/property maintenance. I know Shane Cohn (25th – Dutchtown) and Antonio French (21st – Penrose, O’Fallon) Tweet that they do neighborhood drive-throughs quite often.
I wish.


Matt Drops The H wrote:
-have police officers WALKING, BIKING, and possibly on horseback to the extent possible. I realize this is a major commitment of resources—I did preface this as an “ideal world”.
We requested and received 2 additional beat cops 2 months ago


Matt Drops The H wrote:
-while this is more of a stretch, think about it for a moment: do whatever you can to invest in your neighborhood commercial artery. Crime in the Grove/FPSE has plummeted since Manchester has become more of a neighborhood center rather than forlorn wasteland; Gravois/Morgan Ford’s Bosnian businesses really helped soup up Bevo; Morgan Ford in TGS is transformed, and that half of the neighborhood is seeing tons of improvement. These stories repeat themselves across the city. Have a logical, walkable neighborhood center with investments and you’ll see that criminals have fewer opportunities to commit violent crime. Neighbors and business owners become more vigilant and caring of their investments; property values slowly rise; etc. Now, larceny will probably increase, but the truly scary stuff should decrease.
Until the judges start looking these POS up for a while, it will only continue and get worse.


Matt Drops The H wrote:
-Leave on porch lights. Again to the extent possible, have pedestrian scaled lighting installed on the block. A well-lit neighborhood is an essential part of crime prevention—they serve as literal spotlights on criminals.
Wash ave is well lit.


Matt Drops The H wrote:
-Crime cameras have worked in some places and have shown no effect in others. I know they used these in the Grove for a while, but I’m not sure how well they worked there or what the SLMPD reported on them. Anyone? Anyhow , they seem like a possible solution to persistent property crime. Pedestrians on camera equipped blocks might breathe a bit easier too.
We have cameras all around Fashion, didn't stop the two from mugging my neighbor.



anything else?

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PostOct 22, 2009#1005

dweebe wrote:The DeMun area on the city/Clayton border has had a recent rash of car breakins and damage. Notices have gone out to residents to be on the lookout.


Geesh - glad I don't park in THAT neighborhood.

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PostOct 22, 2009#1006

Looks like the perp that was shot by the cop yesterday in the car-jacking was from the Clinton-Peabody projects--Hickory Place. What is up with that neighborhood going crazy lately? I haven't really heard about much bad originating/happening in there until the last month or so...

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PostOct 22, 2009#1007

Grover wrote:
dweebe wrote:The DeMun area on the city/Clayton border has had a recent rash of car breakins and damage. Notices have gone out to residents to be on the lookout.


Geesh - glad I don't park in THAT neighborhood.


They're saying at least 15 cars got hit. Still some glass on the streets.

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PostOct 22, 2009#1008

Parking is a real issue in that area - very, very little off-street or covered or garaged parking. There's a lot of opportunity to smash and grab from nice cars.

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PostOct 22, 2009#1009

DeMun must have been the "thug neighborhood" that STLToday commenter was referring to, just three blocks away from Forest Park.

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PostOct 27, 2009#1010

The article;



MARYLAND HEIGHTS > Man held at gunpoint fights off suspect





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Another nice community gone to crap. Time to move west (again).

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PostOct 27, 2009#1011

Gosh - a friend who works in Wentzville was telling me that a colleague's car was broken into this past week. Guess we all have to move west of Wentzville.

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PostOct 27, 2009#1012

Lincoln County never looked better.

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PostOct 27, 2009#1013

Grover wrote:Parking is a real issue in that area - very, very little off-street or covered or garaged parking. There's a lot of opportunity to smash and grab from nice cars.


The problem, though is that off-street and garaged parking destroy the density that provides eyes on the street.

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PostOct 27, 2009#1014

MattnSTL wrote:Lincoln County never looked better.


Sorry, but there was a fatal heroin overdose and a fatal hit-and-run at Cuivre River State Park a few months ago. Montgomery County here we come!

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PostOct 27, 2009#1015

Funny that the same internet tough guy posters who claim to have the biggest, most powerful guns (Freud would have a field day!) are the same ones who want to run out to Warrenton and beyond at the very thought of a rare random crime.



If they are such tough guys and are so adept at handling their weaponry why don't they live somewhere where the chances of being able to defend themselves are only very very rare rather than very very very rare 8) ?

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PostOct 27, 2009#1016

^ Touche!

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PostOct 27, 2009#1017

Couple carjacked at St Chas Culpepper's:



http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/st-lou ... ulpeppers/

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PostOct 27, 2009#1018

I was JUST going to post the car jacking in St. Charles too - that is just not a safe place!!!



You know - STL's 73 murders don't compare anywhere to other city murder rates etc...

check it out!

http://www.cityrating.com/crimestatistics.asp





BY THE WAY:



St. Louis cracks "America's Safest Cities" list

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October 27, 2009



KSDK -- The St. Louis metropolitan area is one of America's safest cities, according to a recent report from Forbes website.



Forbes determined the top 40 list based upon four categories of danger: violent crime rates, workplace death rates, traffic fatalities, and natural disaster risk. Statistics from 2008 were used in ranking cities along the first three categories, but Forbes used historical data among other resources to rate natural disaster risk.



The 40 cities are ranked in those four categories, with the scores being added to determine an overall score.



According to the numbers, the Gateway City ranks 34th overall. The safest city in America? Minneapolis-St. Paul, Minnesota. Rounding out the top five are Milwaukee, Wisconsin; Portland, Oregon; and tie between Boston, Massachusetts and Seattle, Washington.



Kansas City ranks 31st overall. The Chicago-Naperville-Joliet area rated 15th on the list. The city of Detroit, Michigan, which ranked 40th on this list in terms of violent crime, came in at 12th overall, due to extremely low scores in the other categories.



St. Louis rates 23rd in violent crime, 39th in workplace fatalities, 31st in traffic deaths, and 16th in natural disaster risk.



To read the entire Forbes list and gain additional information on the methodology used, click here:

http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml





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PostOct 28, 2009#1019

matguy70 wrote:I was JUST going to post the car jacking in St. Charles too - that is just not a safe place!!!



You know - STL's 73 murders don't compare anywhere to other city murder rates etc...

check it out!

http://www.cityrating.com/crimestatistics.asp





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St. Louis cracks "America's Safest Cities" list

KSDK

October 27, 2009



KSDK -- The St. Louis metropolitan area is one of America's safest cities, according to a recent report from Forbes website.



Forbes determined the top 40 list based upon four categories of danger: violent crime rates, workplace death rates, traffic fatalities, and natural disaster risk. Statistics from 2008 were used in ranking cities along the first three categories, but Forbes used historical data among other resources to rate natural disaster risk.



The 40 cities are ranked in those four categories, with the scores being added to determine an overall score.



According to the numbers, the Gateway City ranks 34th overall. The safest city in America? Minneapolis-St. Paul, Minnesota. Rounding out the top five are Milwaukee, Wisconsin; Portland, Oregon; and tie between Boston, Massachusetts and Seattle, Washington.



Kansas City ranks 31st overall. The Chicago-Naperville-Joliet area rated 15th on the list. The city of Detroit, Michigan, which ranked 40th on this list in terms of violent crime, came in at 12th overall, due to extremely low scores in the other categories.



St. Louis rates 23rd in violent crime, 39th in workplace fatalities, 31st in traffic deaths, and 16th in natural disaster risk.



To read the entire Forbes list and gain additional information on the methodology used, click here:

http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml





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Uh, according to Forbes, they only looked at the 40 largest MSAs. Of those 40, St. Louis ranked 34th. I'm so not sure that this is much to crow about.



And this isn't just a crime list. From Forbes' site:


To determine our list of America's safest cities, we looked at the country's 40 largest metropolitan statistical areas across four categories of danger. We considered violent crime rates from the FBI's 2008 uniform crime report; 2008 workplace death rates from the Bureau of Labor Statistics; 2008 traffic death rates from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration; and natural disaster risk, using rankings from green living site SustainLane.com.




The full list can be found here.



-RBB

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PostOct 28, 2009#1020

^ Being next to last in workplace fatalities certainly didn't help. It's extremely dangerous to work here? Who knew? :lol:



At least it's nice to see a local station (KSDK, no less!) spin the findings in a positive way for a change, especially since violent crime is the category that concerns most people and provides the most fodder for the anti-St. Louis mindset that seems so prevalent on local forums.

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PostOct 28, 2009#1021

I went to the web site they say they used for natural disasters -- SustainLane.com -- and it leaves St. Louis out of their survey completely! They were doing biggest "cities" not metro areas apparently at SustainLane.com. So who knows where Forbes got the St. Louis data for natural disasters.



Just another example of sloppy statistics and junk science. I thnk they left out deaths from foriegn terroists to protect NY and Washington rankings where they live.



I doubt if anyone makes a decision about what city to move to based on average safety.

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PostOct 28, 2009#1022

^ but perceived safety can have an affect (I think) - it takes time to establish a reputation as a safe city/metro area, but think of the Wachovia/Wells Fargo transfers - certainly their perception of St. Louis included a perception of safety and would have figured into their willingness to transfer. This perception likely also weighs on companies considering relocating to STL.

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PostOct 28, 2009#1023

Grover wrote:^ but perceived safety can have an affect (I think) - it takes time to establish a reputation as a safe city/metro area, but think of the Wachovia/Wells Fargo transfers - certainly their perception of St. Louis included a perception of safety and would have figured into their willingness to transfer. This perception likely also weighs on companies considering relocating to STL.


I'm sure you are correct to a point. Some companies don't move to Oklahoma City because they assume a tornado goes through weekly and destroys everything.



But the safest area of the most "unsafe" metro area, is way safer than the average of the "safest" metro area. We should know that. As long as we don't choose to live in a high crime neighborhood, a floodplane, or under a landslide area and choose not to be a sword swallower, or drive 50 miles to work, we should be OK anywhere.



Nobody would say -- I don't want to move to KC, because I hear the average house value is 200K, and I want to live in a 350K house. We know the normal distribution extends far beyond the mean.

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PostOct 29, 2009#1024

^ fair enough - good points.

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PostOct 29, 2009#1025

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument



Good news, STLPD finally caught this scumbag who beat and robbed woman at Target on Hampton and Walgreens on Grand. Put'em away!!!!

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