Denver BroncosThe packers do get a fair amount of Milwaukee fans to their games but it is really more of statewide team. Nothing really comparable anywhere else in pro sports that I can think of.
Arizona Cardinals
Tennessee Titans
Arizona Cardinals
Tennessee Titans
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New England Patriotspat wrote:Denver BroncosThe packers do get a fair amount of Milwaukee fans to their games but it is really more of statewide team. Nothing really comparable anywhere else in pro sports that I can think of.
Arizona Cardinals
Tennessee Titans
Golden State Warriors
Tempe MSA 4.1m
Nashville MSA 1.8m
Foxboro MSA 4.6m
Oakland MSA 4.6m
Green Bay MSA 312K
There really is nothing like it in sports. Same goes for Minnesota Vikings, Wild, Timberwolves, Carolina Panthers, Utah Jazz, and Indiana Pacers, and Colorado Avalanche. Even the Raleigh MSA (Carolina Hurricanes) has 1.2m.
The closest comparison would be the Winnipeg Jets with in an MSA of 730k, and the smallest arena in hockey.
Why was Denver on that list?
Nashville MSA 1.8m
Foxboro MSA 4.6m
Oakland MSA 4.6m
Green Bay MSA 312K
There really is nothing like it in sports. Same goes for Minnesota Vikings, Wild, Timberwolves, Carolina Panthers, Utah Jazz, and Indiana Pacers, and Colorado Avalanche. Even the Raleigh MSA (Carolina Hurricanes) has 1.2m.
The closest comparison would be the Winnipeg Jets with in an MSA of 730k, and the smallest arena in hockey.
Why was Denver on that list?
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All these teams are in major metros where id guess that most of their attendance comes from within 20 miles of the stadium.pat wrote:Denver BroncosThe packers do get a fair amount of Milwaukee fans to their games but it is really more of statewide team. Nothing really comparable anywhere else in pro sports that I can think of.
Arizona Cardinals
Tennessee Titans
Probably 80% of packers attendance is from people who live more than 100 miles away
Bump. Now's the time to start something. The NBA has been opportunistic, looking for markets that are 'underserved'. That's us now.
C'mon people. STL can handle MLS and the NBA quite nicely.
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EDIT: To clarify, I don't mean we should go after the Hawks specifically. But I think we could be an area of opportunity for the NBA to consider expansion or relocation of any franchise. I'd love to see it happen, and there's now a ton of sports dollars no longer being spent on the NFL.
C'mon people. STL can handle MLS and the NBA quite nicely.
-RBB
EDIT: To clarify, I don't mean we should go after the Hawks specifically. But I think we could be an area of opportunity for the NBA to consider expansion or relocation of any franchise. I'd love to see it happen, and there's now a ton of sports dollars no longer being spent on the NFL.
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Would love, love, love an NBA team.
MLS I could take or leave... it's a niche sport (at best) in the U.S. and it's a third-rate league internationally.
Sadly, I don't think the NBA is interested in St. Louis, and I don't think most St. Louisans would get into NBA basketball.
MLS I could take or leave... it's a niche sport (at best) in the U.S. and it's a third-rate league internationally.
Sadly, I don't think the NBA is interested in St. Louis, and I don't think most St. Louisans would get into NBA basketball.
You're not the only person to say this, and I don't understand why on either point. Is the NBA still that bitter over the TV contract they're no longer paying on? Why wouldn't most St. Louisans get into NBA basketball?Mound City wrote:Sadly, I don't think the NBA is interested in St. Louis, and I don't think most St. Louisans would get into NBA basketball.
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With the Rams now gone I'd love to see the NBA return. We'd probably need a local ownership group and an open checkbook to gut the Scottrade.
Yep. tom Stillman said recently:moorlander wrote:With the Rams now gone I'd love to see the NBA return. We'd probably need a local ownership group and an open checkbook to gut the Scottrade.
Perhaps with the region no longer needing to bear the burden of a new NFL stadium some money can be found for renovation for an owner who's dedicated to the city. And as long as you're doing a 'significant renovation', why not make sure it's 100% NBA-ready while you're at it?All around the league, particularly in the NBA and NHL, arenas around the 20-year mark tend to go through a major renovation and that is going to be necessary at the Scottrade Center — probably even more so (in St. Louis) than in other markets. We are in the early stages of planning a renovation… Obviously part of the aim is to be the best possible home for the NHL and the St. Louis Blues, but Scottrade plays a key role in bringing other big events to St. Louis, like major concerts and other sporting events like NCAA March Madness. We’re not going to continue to draw those events unless we upgrade the arena significantly
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Below is an opinion piece. Likely considered when St. Louis still had the Rams.
Top 10 Cities The NBA Should Consider for Expansion or Re-Location
Pittsburgh is on the list, but could it support four pro teams? It has three (MLB, NHL, NFL). Kansas City is on the list, they have three pro sports teams (MLB, MLS, NFL), but an empty arena. But could they support four pro sports teams?
With St. Louis down one, St. Louis could easily support an additional team.
St. Louis has done a great job with college basketball tournaments, supporting SLU and Mizzou, etc.
The arena issue would be key. Would a new arena be built specifically for the NBA or would the owners politely share?
Top 10 Cities The NBA Should Consider for Expansion or Re-Location
Pittsburgh is on the list, but could it support four pro teams? It has three (MLB, NHL, NFL). Kansas City is on the list, they have three pro sports teams (MLB, MLS, NFL), but an empty arena. But could they support four pro sports teams?
With St. Louis down one, St. Louis could easily support an additional team.
St. Louis has done a great job with college basketball tournaments, supporting SLU and Mizzou, etc.
The arena issue would be key. Would a new arena be built specifically for the NBA or would the owners politely share?
10 Potential Cities for NBA Relocation or Expansion
bleacherreport.com
By Charles Bennett , Senior Analyst Sep 14, 2011
This report was also added to the NBA.com website.
St. Louis was #6
bleacherreport.com
By Charles Bennett , Senior Analyst Sep 14, 2011
This report was also added to the NBA.com website.
St. Louis was #6
I just really don't see it. But I would be VERY happy to see it. The thing is, going through what we just went through, I don't want someone else's team.
The MLS will afford us the chance at expansion. I'm not sure the NBA is looking at that.
The MLS will afford us the chance at expansion. I'm not sure the NBA is looking at that.
^The list above says relocation or expansion.
If a current owner is willing to relocate to St. Louis or sell to a local individual or group, I'm riding with it.
You have to "get in where you fit in."
Otherwise, I feel you.
If a current owner is willing to relocate to St. Louis or sell to a local individual or group, I'm riding with it.
You have to "get in where you fit in."
Otherwise, I feel you.
We're not going to get an NBA team. Seattle needs to get the Sonics back and Kansas City has an arena that's been sitting empty for nearly a decade.Mound City wrote:Would love, love, love an NBA team.
MLS I could take or leave... it's a niche sport (at best) in the U.S. and it's a third-rate league internationally.
Sadly, I don't think the NBA is interested in St. Louis, and I don't think most St. Louisans would get into NBA basketball.
The Laurie family owned the Blues in the late 90's/early 00's, owned the arena, had billions of dollars and still couldn't get an NBA team to St. Louis. If they couldn't get a team here: nobody is going to.
My feeling right now is that I am just so burnt out after this Rams fiasco, and subsequently, professional sports in general. I think an NBA would do great here, especially with our large black population, and especially right now, with our lack of good college basketball in the state.
I think we have a real opportunity to do some great things in this city development-wise, with the vacant dome and riverfront, especially now that the Rams are gone. Focusing our efforts on developing our CBD, washave, BPV, north riverfront. I just feel like talk of an NBA team would take any momentum and extra potential dollars away from those things.
I think we have a real opportunity to do some great things in this city development-wise, with the vacant dome and riverfront, especially now that the Rams are gone. Focusing our efforts on developing our CBD, washave, BPV, north riverfront. I just feel like talk of an NBA team would take any momentum and extra potential dollars away from those things.
No offense, but it's always interesting to see how some people in St. Louis look out for every other city but their own.dweebe wrote:We're not going to get an NBA team. Seattle needs to get the Sonics back and Kansas City has an arena that's been sitting empty for nearly a decade.Mound City wrote:Would love, love, love an NBA team.
MLS I could take or leave... it's a niche sport (at best) in the U.S. and it's a third-rate league internationally.
Sadly, I don't think the NBA is interested in St. Louis, and I don't think most St. Louisans would get into NBA basketball.
The Laurie family owned the Blues in the late 90's/early 00's, owned the arena, had billions of dollars and still couldn't get an NBA team to St. Louis. If they couldn't get a team here: nobody is going to.
FYI: Laurie's WIFE was the billionaire. He was the millionaire. Anyway, Laurie almost got ownership of the Vancouver Grizzlies, however, the NBA didn't like how he commandeered the process. His goal was to own two teams to support the then SAVVIS Center, which he owned. Laurie got sort-of biggity by circumventing NBA protocols and the NBA didn't take too kindly to it.
Laurie thought he would buy the team and just whisk it away to St. Louis. I recall some players being happy about moving to St. Louis. But the NBA said, "Hold up, partner. We don't care that you are married to a billionaire Wal-Mart heiress, there's protocols."
Needless to say, Laurie was denied. He ***** it up - not St. Louis.
Semi-related note, why is there always talk that the NBA still holds a grudge against St. Louis based on the Spirits owners cashing in on the TV deal?
There is no way that can be accurate right? And if it is, it's senseless.
The Spirits played 2 years in St. Louis and THEY WERE GOING TO MOVE (probably to Utah). If they had continued on as a franchise, it was not going to be in St. Louis. They were a team that had moved multiple times before and their run in St. Louis was up regardless.
These two brothers swindled the NBA, but St. Louis had absolutely nothing to do with it.
There is no way that can be accurate right? And if it is, it's senseless.
The Spirits played 2 years in St. Louis and THEY WERE GOING TO MOVE (probably to Utah). If they had continued on as a franchise, it was not going to be in St. Louis. They were a team that had moved multiple times before and their run in St. Louis was up regardless.
These two brothers swindled the NBA, but St. Louis had absolutely nothing to do with it.
^Personally, I think it is lore.
Like the NFL, money talks and bullsh*t walks with NBA owners too.
If St. Louis had the right package, the right ownership that gels with the other owners, at the right time, the right money and arena then it's on and popping (as singer Chris Brown would say).
For the most part, nothing usually gets in the way of m-o-n-e-y, which is why the Rams are gone.
Like the NFL, money talks and bullsh*t walks with NBA owners too.
If St. Louis had the right package, the right ownership that gels with the other owners, at the right time, the right money and arena then it's on and popping (as singer Chris Brown would say).
For the most part, nothing usually gets in the way of m-o-n-e-y, which is why the Rams are gone.
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The real reason why the NBA won't ever be in St. Louis is because the NBA prefers markets where they don't have to compete with other "big four" sports, especially NHL hockey which runs pretty much at the exact same time that NBA does. If the NBA is coming to Missouri, I predict it would go to Kansas City first because there's no NHL team there.
Like someone else already pointed out here, fifteen years ago we had a guy who had the money and the means to support an NBA team here, and the NBA basically told him no.
The NBA ain't happening here.
Like someone else already pointed out here, fifteen years ago we had a guy who had the money and the means to support an NBA team here, and the NBA basically told him no.
The NBA ain't happening here.
I know he screwed it up. They also ran the Blues in to the ground in the process.arch city wrote:FYI: Laurie's WIFE was the billionaire. He was the millionaire. Anyway, Laurie almost got ownership of the Vancouver Grizzlies, however, the NBA didn't like how he commandeered the process. His goal was to own two teams to support the then SAVVIS Center, which he owned. Laurie got sort-of biggity by circumventing NBA protocols and the NBA didn't take too kindly to it.
Laurie thought he would buy the team and just whisk it away to St. Louis. I recall some players being happy about moving to St. Louis. But the NBA said, "Hold Up, partner. We don't care that you are married to a billionaire Wal-Mart heiress, there's protocols." Needless to say, he was denied. He f***ed it up - not St. Louis.
Okay. Hope you are able to buy NBA season tickets in Kansas City or Seattle someday.Mound City wrote:The real reason why the NBA won't ever be in St. Louis is because the NBA prefers markets where they don't have to compete with other "big four" sports, especially NHL hockey which runs pretty much at the exact same time that NBA does. If the NBA is coming to Missouri, I predict it would go to Kansas City first because there's no NHL team there.
Like someone else already pointed out here, fifteen years ago we had a guy who had the money and the means to support an NBA team here, and the NBA basically told him no.
The NBA ain't happening here.
Well here they'd only have to compete with two of the big four, and presumably one they'd be partnering with. The Cardinals are huge here, but one would think not having to compete with the behemoth that is the NFL would be attractive.Mound City wrote:The real reason why the NBA won't ever be in St. Louis is because the NBA prefers markets where they don't have to compete with other "big four" sports, especially NHL hockey which runs pretty much at the exact same time that NBA does. If the NBA is coming to Missouri, I predict it would go to Kansas City first because there's no NHL team there.
Like someone else already pointed out here, fifteen years ago we had a guy who had the money and the means to support an NBA team here, and the NBA basically told him no.
The NBA ain't happening here.
Kansas City seems perfectly happy with the use of their arena sans a team, though I'm sure they'd take either an NBA or an NHL franchise in a heartbeat. The STL MSA is the size of Kansas City's and Knoxville's combined. I would think the NBA would rather enter the larger two-team market than the smaller; nothing against KC at all.
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