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Well, it's not too bad looking, but not exactly the type of landmark that that corner deserves. Certainly better massing than the current building, anyway. Looks like there's a good deal of retail extending all along Clayton Rd. I guess they're trying to create their own critical mass. Anyone have a site plan?



Should be interesting to see what the neighborhood says.

I like the layout, and look forward to more walkable retail.

STLgasm wrote:Those portruding wing-thingys on the top of the building are totally mid-2000's and in a decade, those features will look so dated. Nevertheless, this is a respectable replacement for the shuttered Schnucks. Build it!

Yeah, I'm not crazy about all the little details either, but overall I'd love to see this move forward!

I'd like to see the cylindrical element carried all the way to the top of the building. And yeah, the "wing-thingies" need to go.

It looks like a slightly flashier version of an office building that would go in Chesterfield (Chesterfield Parkeway area) or Creve Coeur (City Place). The architecture is now becoming conservative taste but much bolder than some office towers in Clayton.



It appears to be an office building instead of residential which works fine since Clayton Road is accessible and well-traveled. I wonder if the law firm on the west side of the street would hop into this new building and free of their site for something?

Grover wrote:


You may be right and there's some density along Hanley, but the Moorlands is not dense at all and although the income levels would provide some upscale clientele, there aren't enough within walking distance. I'll be happy to see retail there though.

WHAAAAAAT? The Moorlands is quite dense and half that people that live here are either in school, just graduated. Sure sprinkled in are some doctors, lawyers, and business types, but much of the neighborhood is still very affordable for rent properties. The money is mostly in the eastern portion (single family homes).

umm, this area is VERY dense. in fact that schnucks had more sales than ANY other Schnucks per square foot. Retail will thrive here.

STLgasm wrote:Those portruding wing-thingys on the top of the building are totally mid-2000's and in a decade, those features will look so dated.

Werd.

Looks like a 7 story hotel is part of the plan for above the garage on the very eastern portion of the property.







Estimated Completion 4thQuarter 2010

Northeast corner of Clayton Road / Hanley Road Intersection

227,700 SF Total

125,000 SF Office Space (Floors 4-8)

50,000 SF Fitness Center (Floors 2-3)

52,700 SF First Floor Retail Space

5 Levels of Covered Parking at 3.7 / 1,000 SF

Building & Monument Signage Available



Amenities:

High Class Fitness Center with basketball, swimming pool, racquetball, cardio theater, spinning, aerobics / pilates, ladies only, workout area

High-end Restaurant and Bistro Planned

7-Story, 200 Room Hotel / Spa Planned

High-end Grocer Planned

In-site Retail Center –Coffee / Bar / Retailers



SITE AND BUILDING STATISTICS:

Ground Floor Retail Space:52,700 GSF

Upper Floor AreaUrban Active Fitness (2 Floors):50,000 GSFOffice Floors (5 Floors):125,000 GSF

TOTAL LEASABLE AREA:227,700 GSF

7 STORY HOTEL OVER PARKING GARAGE

Parking Counts

On Grade Parking70 SPACES5 Levels of Parking Deck775 SPACES

TOTAL PARKING845 SPACES 845

NICE - that's a lot fit on that . . . lot.



Too bad the Moorlands doesn't have the density to support it and all the businesses will soon fail until a title loan opens.

I'm very much interested in who they have in mind for the grocery, fitness center, and bistro.



Grocery... Can we support ANOTHER high end grocer around here? What high end grocers would be candidates?



Fitness Center... I could see Wellbridge moving here, therefore freeing up their lot east for a new highrise development. (Crescent NIMBYS )



Bistro... I just want a place with a large outdoor space that has reasonably price booze in the evenings.

any renderings?

yup, same as the ones I already posted, plus one view to the north with the hotel portion. They are in pdf form, i'll post after work sometime.

Really wish this forum had a "renderings" topic with comments disabled. They get lost in the gibberish so quickly.

Why the need for the drive in between the building and the street?

Yo Stiff the fitness center going in is Urban Active...



http://www.urbanactive.com/trainerfinde ... index.html

^^ clearly parking/valet Moorlander. To be honest, I think it's an OK idea here. It's not going to be comfortable to park on Clayton Road and any outdoor dining immediately next to the road (if there weren't parking) wouldn't be very inviting.

What horrible design. Same old boring and safe Clayton architecture. The looks just like the office buildings in Creve Coeur.

TB1000 wrote:What horrible design. Same old boring and safe Clayton architecture. The looks just like the office buildings in Creve Coeur.

Who cares?! The problem with Creve Coeur isn't primarily the buildings, but where they're built. Besides, these look better IMHO than what I've seen in CC.



This will replace a long-vacant grocery store at a major inner-ring St. Louis intersection. It's fantastic. Some people here won't be happy until a rather small commercial infill project wins world-wide acclaim and is featured in every your-city-should-do-this faux-urbanism text book. Bleh!

Grover wrote:^^ clearly parking/valet Moorlander. To be honest, I think it's an OK idea here. It's not going to be comfortable to park on Clayton Road and any outdoor dining immediately next to the road (if there weren't parking) wouldn't be very inviting.

Could they not just put in an extra wide sidewalk with a buffer along Clayton Rd and put the access road in back? The Walgreens at Clayton and Big Bend, if not up to Big Bend, is at least adjacent to Clayton Rd.



Keep the drive on the east end of the property, at least, but I don't see a need for it to wrap all the way around the front of the development.