^ the best we're going to get is what the task force is proposing.... if/when Stan comes into play it'll only get worse absent some miracle play.
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I agree.roger wyoming II wrote:^ the best we're going to get is what the task force is proposing.... if/when Stan comes into play it'll only get worse absent some miracle play.
I'll also point out that by the standards of city offerings of public assistance for new NFL stadiums over the past 15 years, it could definitely get much, much worse than this proposal.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems really stupid that the NFL moved up the date for teams to file for relocation, to this coming Monday. This is all assuming the 3 teams file then, but why wouldn't the NFL determine which team(s) will be allowed to go to LA, before allowing them to apply for relocation. By allowing them to file before the determination is made, the NFL is making it that much more difficult for the owner and team to return to their 'home market' (especially STL) if their bid to LA is rejected. As of now, Stan could get rejected and still return to STL, saying in public, that he never said he was moving to LA or filed for relocation. While we all know he intends to get to LA, a big part of his PR campaign if required to stay in STL, could be that he never said he was moving, but had to make the moves towards LA, to light a fire under STL, to get a deal done. While I believe Stan thought STL would roll over and he'd have a fairly easy path to LA, I also think Stan had every intention of moving the Rams the minute he took over full ownership. That said, he loses his PR ammo, if he files for relocation. I think he puts his franchise in a terrible position, if he has to crawl back to STL because his bid was rejected. Considering he may put in a shotgun wedding position with STL, he has to be smart enough to understand this. Then again, maybe he is arrogant enough to think Rams to LA is a done deal. For all we know, that very well could be the case.
^ Who knows with this mess, NFL could easily postpone the relocation filing for another year or keep as is. Keeping relocation filing date as is certainly puts Raider/Chargers in a position of one step closer of having to go all in on Carson City or not. Their is no doubt what Stan K wants. I just have to believe it is all about Carson City stadium at this point.
The one speculative thought in my mind. Would Davis entertain selling Raiders to Stan K if the other owners deny a Rams move but Carson City not a done deal? Certainly gives Stan K a LA team for Inglewood as will give reason for him to go back to Chargers with another rent deal. Stan K can turn around and sell Rams to Taylor Heir & all well in the world of corporate sponsorship/tv markets/NFC Central. Davis family can cash out as 49er's have done a pretty good job of cornering the Bay area corporate market.
As far as out here in the Bay Area, Oakland Mayor Libby keeps on putting her spin stories out on behalf of Oakland while the local sports radio talk guys keep repeating the story. Raiders are going, going, going......almost gone from the Bay Area. Entertaining to read the spin stories in the morning and then listen to the sports talk radio guys later.
The one speculative thought in my mind. Would Davis entertain selling Raiders to Stan K if the other owners deny a Rams move but Carson City not a done deal? Certainly gives Stan K a LA team for Inglewood as will give reason for him to go back to Chargers with another rent deal. Stan K can turn around and sell Rams to Taylor Heir & all well in the world of corporate sponsorship/tv markets/NFC Central. Davis family can cash out as 49er's have done a pretty good job of cornering the Bay area corporate market.
As far as out here in the Bay Area, Oakland Mayor Libby keeps on putting her spin stories out on behalf of Oakland while the local sports radio talk guys keep repeating the story. Raiders are going, going, going......almost gone from the Bay Area. Entertaining to read the spin stories in the morning and then listen to the sports talk radio guys later.
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I suppose if Stan computes he will lose, he could just choose to not file for relocation. I don't think that would help him save face here, since we already know he argued that St Louis was not a viable NFL city going forward.
I think Davis wants to remain majority owner of the Raiders. So it sounds as if all parties are willing to go to a deadlock vote, and then let owner arguments start until everyone is tired, about half a day, when the owners who don't really care will cave one way or another.
I think Davis wants to remain majority owner of the Raiders. So it sounds as if all parties are willing to go to a deadlock vote, and then let owner arguments start until everyone is tired, about half a day, when the owners who don't really care will cave one way or another.
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I'd like to see some pics of the area as well.... I've seen one from the Landing where it is up to Commercial Street. Thinking of taking the boys down to see near historic flooding. (Of course, by the time they're old geezers like pops a flood will probably top '93.)
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gary kreie wrote:Folks are asking if the stadium site will flood at the crest. I know it won't, but has anyone seen a photo of the water at the flood wall there? I am amazed the Post and others have not gone there to take a photo.
http://m.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/ ... touch=true
Believe Biz Journal photo showing part of the arch grounds. Believe part of the construction where the parking garage was under water with water level getting close to the height of the railroad track/tunnels cutting through the arch grounds
As the year comes to a close, I think that Peacock really called the NFL's bluff. He "kept checking the boxes" all the way to finish line and I don't think the NFL really thought it was going to happen and now they don't know what the hell to do.
Who knows the outcome here (I recently heard through the grapevine that Josh Kroenke said they truly don't know what's going on) but here are my thoughts:
-It's hard to imagine Bob Iger not somehow involved in the NFL's return to LA given his media and marketing influence. He seems like a version of Dave Peacock for LA....he knows most power players and he gets things done for better or worse.
-It's hard to see Peacock left with nothing long term for STL given what they have brought to the table compared to the other markets in question and STL's position as a mid tier sports market.
There are multiple scenarios that could make the above scenarios come to fruition on a potentially extended timeline. However, right now I think that the Rams are here in 2016. I want to believe that Chargers and Raiders will be in LA next year, but I don't trust the NFL to make the seemingly easy choice. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the whole thing gets delayed. As Peacock said the other day, I'm glad I'm not an owner.
Happy New Year to all.
Who knows the outcome here (I recently heard through the grapevine that Josh Kroenke said they truly don't know what's going on) but here are my thoughts:
-It's hard to imagine Bob Iger not somehow involved in the NFL's return to LA given his media and marketing influence. He seems like a version of Dave Peacock for LA....he knows most power players and he gets things done for better or worse.
-It's hard to see Peacock left with nothing long term for STL given what they have brought to the table compared to the other markets in question and STL's position as a mid tier sports market.
There are multiple scenarios that could make the above scenarios come to fruition on a potentially extended timeline. However, right now I think that the Rams are here in 2016. I want to believe that Chargers and Raiders will be in LA next year, but I don't trust the NFL to make the seemingly easy choice. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the whole thing gets delayed. As Peacock said the other day, I'm glad I'm not an owner.
Happy New Year to all.
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I decided to tune into the Rams game for the first time in weeks today on the basis that it could be the last one ever.
On top of this, I saw the movie concussion yesterday.
I continue to wonder how in the world this could be considered a good investment of our funds. It's disgraceful.
On top of this, I saw the movie concussion yesterday.
I continue to wonder how in the world this could be considered a good investment of our funds. It's disgraceful.
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If KC side Missouri legislators Schaaf and Silvey kill the stadium in St. Louis and cause the Rams to leave, I wonder if they would support a law saying any remaining teams in Missouri that have received state funds (Chiefs) must play their games in major Missouri cities by size. So that would mean 4 games in St. Louis, 2 games in Kansas City, MO, 1 game in Springfield, and 1 game in Columbia. I believe the St. Louis side legislators and nearly all out-state Missouri legislators will quickly sign up to support this law, as well as any candidates running for governor.
Cause? I doubt the Rams leaving is based on that. Kroenke talked more about the Inglewood stadium project than STL stadium project. He just doesn't want to be here.gary kreie wrote:If KC side Missouri legislators Schaaf and Silvey kill the stadium in St. Louis and cause the Rams to leave....
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Obviously, gary meant that if the NFL uses the Schaaf lawsuit as grounds to dismiss St. Louis's public money stadium proposal and award Inglewood to the Rams over Carson to the Chargers and Raiders.stlien wrote:Cause? I doubt the Rams leaving is based on that. Kroenke talked more about the Inglewood stadium project than STL stadium project. He just doesn't want to be here.gary kreie wrote:If KC side Missouri legislators Schaaf and Silvey kill the stadium in St. Louis and cause the Rams to leave....
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By "cities by size" I'm guessing you mean by metro population.... If not, KC is gonna get more than STL... Then how exactly do you break it down? By a population ratio? Cause doesn't Independence, MO got Columbia beat??? Does Independence even have a venue that can support such an event? This does not feel like a good idea to megary kreie wrote:If KC side Missouri legislators Schaaf and Silvey kill the stadium in St. Louis and cause the Rams to leave, I wonder if they would support a law saying any remaining teams in Missouri that have received state funds (Chiefs) must play their games in major Missouri cities by size. So that would mean 4 games in St. Louis, 2 games in Kansas City, MO, 1 game in Springfield, and 1 game in Columbia.
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By my calculations, Columbia should surpass Independence as Missouri's 4th largest city soon (unless it has already).San Luis Native wrote:Cause doesn't Independence, MO got Columbia beat???
The Rams have officially filed an application to move.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... t=headline
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... t=headline
http://www.inglewoodtodaynews.com/index ... g-underway
Why even put that out there unless you feel you can't move the Rams?Regardless of whether the NFL approves an Inglewood stadium, however, St. Louis Rams’ owner and Inglewood Mayor James Butts have maintained the city will move ahead on its plans for an NFL level stadium and entertainment venue. Kroenke purchased 60 acres adjacent to the 238-acre site at Hollywood Park. The proposed stadium is expected to be an addition to an already planned mixed-use development. The project will include a hotel, housing, retail center, office space and parks.
Butts noted that even if the Rams do not come to the Inglewood site, the venue can be built to accommodate future World Cups, Olympics, award shows and other major events.
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^ not sure what Butts is taking about....the developer (Stans partner in this) said just last month that everything else is being built and the stadium depends on the decision by the NFL...also if Stan was going to build it regardless, why wait? could have started last summer
This is a big time power play move by Kroenke.
By saying this, he's essentially saying that any business the Carson stadium expected to draw outside of NFL football is going to face some stiff competition. As a result, it would likely be less profitable.
Now, is this accurate or is it just posturing? That's the question. Will they call his bluff and risk it?
It'd be a stronger play if he actually had shovels in the ground. (He does for the site, but not for the stadium itself.) But even without that, it still makes things interesting.
By saying this, he's essentially saying that any business the Carson stadium expected to draw outside of NFL football is going to face some stiff competition. As a result, it would likely be less profitable.
Now, is this accurate or is it just posturing? That's the question. Will they call his bluff and risk it?
It'd be a stronger play if he actually had shovels in the ground. (He does for the site, but not for the stadium itself.) But even without that, it still makes things interesting.
^ agree, a power play conveniently done via Inglewood's mayor. Keeps Silent Stan silent. The thing I would add is that Carson City made a better power play when Disney exec was signed on to make it happen. I would bet on Disney over Stan K in the entertainment world.
As a real estate play, Stan K doesn't lose on the Inglewood property itself. This prime spot that will get built out whether it be a stadium, entertainment venue and or more housing & office. He is betting that the team/asset value is worth more than the $1 billion he has to put into a move between team relocation fees, stadium construction costs, moving trucks, so on
As a real estate play, Stan K doesn't lose on the Inglewood property itself. This prime spot that will get built out whether it be a stadium, entertainment venue and or more housing & office. He is betting that the team/asset value is worth more than the $1 billion he has to put into a move between team relocation fees, stadium construction costs, moving trucks, so on
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Mayor Butts was on Kmox radio today and said the decision on the stadium depends on NFLs relocation decision and no idea if it will be built if Rams not approved. This is in line with what the main developer of the site said few weeks ago, site work moves forward for the rest of the project and the stadium is dependent on NFL approval