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^25-100M depending on how much juicy there is at that station and where it would be moved
host of other factors to consider....time- no chance Ameren would move it in the summer time during peak use. the window of moving it is that much smaller....so if you have a smaller window to move it and it needs to be moved quickly the cost just go up.....generally on project that isnt rushed (like this would have to be) this kinda thing would take a year to 18 months,...

Attendance at the Rams game today is 17,892. A 40-year low for the NFL.

It's fan appreciation day.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

I was going to go to the game Thursday night for the sake of history, but it happens to be my work holiday party that day. Depends how much I decide to consume.

I was there and attendance was about like last few home games except Chicago. Didn't they sell over 50K season tickets? So attendance will always be that or more.

jstriebel wrote:Attendance at the Rams game today is 17,892. A 40-year low for the NFL.

It's fan appreciation day.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

I was going to go to the game Thursday night for the sake of history, but it happens to be my work holiday party that day. Depends how much I decide to consume.

That was made up by an LA troll on Twitter. Tickets distributed was 51,000. Actual attendance about 35-37,000

dbInSouthCity wrote:

jstriebel wrote:Attendance at the Rams game today is 17,892. A 40-year low for the NFL.

It's fan appreciation day.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

I was going to go to the game Thursday night for the sake of history, but it happens to be my work holiday party that day. Depends how much I decide to consume.

That was made up by an LA troll on Twitter. Tickets distributed was 51,000. Actual attendance about 35-37,000

It was not made up by an LA troll, but it does turn out to be unverifiable information. The source absolutely believes his source is good though. And no chance it was 35-37,000, but I'd believe somewhere in the mid to upper 20s.

roger wyoming II wrote:^ yeah, 37,000 looked too high.... whatever it was I'd say it was closer to 18,000 than the announced 51,000. Too bad teams aren't forced to report turn-style attendance.

For the purpose of projecting tax revenue, does turn-style attendance matter?

Here is the photo from the front page of today's Post sports page. Notice end zone crowd in the rear.


During the game, a troll posted a photo on facebook of a near empty EJD stadium, claiming it was at gametime. So I took this photo with my phone and posted it to show what I was seeing.
Untitled by Gary Kreie, on Flickr

Someone else posted this photo from the Cleveland game:
Untitled by Gary Kreie, on Flickr

The crowd is surprisingly loud for not being sold out. They appeared to disrupt the opposition plays at least a couple of times. Players have cited the crowd noise level. It may be because the fans that are there now are young and passionate - or had a bit to drink.

I guess stadium opponents think attendance, at what was possibly the last Sunday home NFL game ever, should be a factor in keeping the Rams, or they wouldn't be posting here -- as if the owner announcing a new stadium in another city, and serving up 12 straight seasons, without a winning one, are not factors. So we're all agreeing, then, the owner has found the problem with the team's poor performance -- it's the fans. But not to worry -- he found folks who claim to be fans in another city. We'll find out by looking at LA TV ratings this Thursday night when the team is on nationwide.

Reckless is too strong a word. Rams here averaged over 60K per game for the 21 years in spite of only 4 winning seasons. Believe it or not, our DNA here is the same as other humans. A winning Rams team might look good again if the Cubs start dominating our baseball division.

Call me reckless, but playoff generators show that if we could get Johnny Manzel to beat Seattle this week (not likely), and get the Rams to knock off Tampa and Seattle (who we beat once already), we mathematically would still not be out of it going into the last game vs. 49ers, and Seahawk plays Arizona.

roger wyoming II wrote:^ But it is a lie to say we averaged 60K per game for 21 years with actual attendance.

NFL and ESPN calls tickets sold "attendance". OK they lie if some of those folks don't show up and are too rich, too stupid, or too lazy to use Stubhub to sell their tickets for a few bucks. Rams have averaged about 61K per year in tickets sold.

Recent years are at this site.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/attendance

And on Wikipedia under "XXXX Rams Season" for all earlier years, where XXXX is the year.

I know you are trying to make the case that game day revenue projections are too high because the ACTUAL attendance has been below tickets sold by the Rams by a lot in recent years, obviously due to team performance not living up to expectations. But on the flip side, when the team performance exceeds expectations, tickets are hot items and ticket holders who sell make money that they spend somewhere. Also, when the team is hot, Rams merchandise sales skyrocket. And thousands who do not have tickets got to bars to watch the Rams. TV and radio advertisers sell advertising for a lot more on game days when the team is hot, and it's not just to ticket holders. So I think it is fair to say game day revenue is lower when the team is poor and there are a lot of no-show, but the other side, game day revenue exceeds what ticket buyers contribute when the team is hot.

And obviously if the team has a home playoff game, that generates extra game day revenue not assumed in any projections I've seen. Rams are the only team in the NFC to not make the playoffs in the last 10 years.

I was at the game yesterday. A few observations:

-The attendance to me, was about 40K. The majority of the lower bowl was packed. The upper deck, while nowhere close to full, had lots of people up there. Much less than the lower bowl.
-There were about 15 or so BBTLAR goofs in the section next to mine. They were holding a pro-LA Rams sign and taunting STL fans. FINALLY, a guard came and took there signs. At one point they held the sign at a few Rams players, including Robert Quinn. They yelled LA Rams at them. I seriously thought one player was going to jump in the crowd and take the sign. They did not get a positive reception from the players they yelled at.
-The supposed "fan appreciation" discounts on merchandise, consisted of 25% of some stuff that was already ridiculously priced and 50% a bunch of clearance rack junk. What a joke! Not to mention, who would buy merch for a team that might not even be here next year.
-The crowd was extremely loud, rang my ears multiple times. I was in the lower bowl behind the Rams bench, maybe up 10 rows.

Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in.

I agree fan appreciation was a joke. No discount on beer, just sodas. And for that day only, no free refills on sodas. I was wondering if there were only discounts on the merchandise that had the words St. Louis on them.

^Right... I noticed the majority of the nice
'Dry-Fit" Nike gear did not have anything STL on it.

roger wyoming II wrote:gary,
I'm pretty certain NFL allows tickets distributed to be reported from the number of references I've seen. And yes, you are right when the times are good the $$ can be flowing. But the simple fact of the matter is that we have to expect stretches of lean times to occur between 2019 and 2051, so if we want to be conservative in our projections, which jack coatar says they are doing, I don't think you'd want to project sales taxes based on 97.6% capacity for 10 games a season (2 pre-season and 8 regular season.) From what I can tell, that is what MoEconDevo used and I'd just like to see some transparency with the numbers.

Yep. Maybe MoEconDevo used KC numbers as its model. If Jack Coatar used recent very lean times in their revenue projection, it was conservative indeed.

Maybe -- especially with HDTV at home now. It used to be standard for every game to be sellouts. I bought PSLs in 1995 and dropped finally in 2014. From about 2009 through 2013, I started buying 2 tickets from my friends who had 4 PSL together, so we could all sit together. So I sold my own 2 seats on the secondary market each game from 2009 through 2013. In all those years, I always broke even or better.

The experience watching at home or in a sports bar far exceeds the experience at the game. Plus you can stay on top of fantasy happenings.

When you are at the game there is no flow. Stoppages and breaks for commercials throughout.

The NFL has viewed TV contracts more important than the games at experience.