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PostNov 21, 2019#1

Topgolf eyeing second location in St. Louis
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A year after opening its Chesterfield venue, Topgolf Entertainment Group this week confirmed it is considering a second location the region, and real estate sources indicate this time the company is focusing on sites in the city of St. Louis.  A spokeswoman for the Dallas-based company said Topgolf is interested in expanding in the region but declined to provide any details on a potential locations. Yet several commercial real estate sources said the company has shown interest in Midtown, particularly around Compton and Chouteau avenues, and has considered land north of Chouteau that's occupied by Saint Louis University athletic fields and a pallet company, according to real estate sources.  SLU acquired the property occupied by the pallet company in August for $5 million, data from real estate research firm Reonomy shows. The land sits just outside the boundaries of Midtown Redevelopment Corp., a joint effort between SLU and SSM Health that has master developer rights.  A spokesperson for the university would only say it doesn't "have any information to provide at this time."

Topgolf also has scouted downtown, possibly near Chouteau's Landing, the area just south of the Gateway Arch, a source said. But Topgolf is reportedly looking for 15 acres and it's not clear whether there would be enough land around Chouteau's Landing to accommodate its needs.  Topgolf facilities are commonly located in suburban locations, largely because of the space requirements.  The Chesterfield location, about 25 miles west of downtown at 16851 N. Outer 40 Road, features more than 100 climate-controlled hitting bays overlooking a large outdoor field facing east, away from the afternoon sun. The entertainment complex also includes lounges, bars, private event and meeting spaces and a full-service restaurant.  It's not unusual for Topgolf — with 53 locations in the U.S. and several overseas — to operate more than one facility in a metro area, though St. Louis would likely be the smallest market with multiple venues. Metro areas with multiple Topgolfs include Chicago, Denver, Houston and Phoenix.
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PostNov 21, 2019#2

Not a fan of Compton and Chouteau. However the East St.Louis Riverfront looking towards downtown would be my ideal location.
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PostNov 21, 2019#3

Couldn't agree more. The location on the Riverfront would be perfect.
I live in Illinois, and really enjoy TopGolf, however, the trek out to Chesterfield is not ideal.
I hope this happens.
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PostNov 21, 2019#4

^ I would agree.  I don't know why they wouldn't look at Illinois for the downtown views.  The Metro East could use a few big attractions.

Also, I did search for a Topgolf topic but didn't find one.  It appears there is one, so mods feel free to merge this one into that one or whatever you'd like to do.
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PostNov 21, 2019#5

The area behind the Sheet Metal Workers Union near Jefferson and Chouteau would be large enough with great views. Currently just a giant gravel lot and light industrial.
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PostNov 21, 2019#6

vpr611 wrote: ↑
Nov 21, 2019
Not a fan of Compton and Chouteau. However the East St.Louis Riverfront looking towards downtown would be my ideal location.
Completely agree with this and feel them same way about an outdoor amphitheater to replace Riverport.  City view behind the stage in a central location with mass transit and highway options.
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PostNov 21, 2019#7

This is the big project I hinted to in the Steelcote thread. It’s more likely than not to go in at Compton and Chouteau.
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PostNov 21, 2019#8

I think another prime location would be the parking lot south of 64/40 that is currently for sale, the one southwest of Busch west of Patios. Could possibly manipulate it to still get a city view, adjacent to existing entertainment with BPV and the Cupples bars/restaurants. Could entice more development south of the highway to help with the Choteaus Landing plans and the potential for a better more developed 4th street. Not the best use of a massive parking lot, but better than a massive parking lot. 
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PostNov 21, 2019#9

I think Chouteau's landing is the best spot for this, views looking onto the arch and river... thats hard to beat
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PostNov 21, 2019#10

There’s no room at Chouteau’s Landing without demolition. The redevelopment plans leave no room for it. If they want it there, demo some of the industrial buildings South of Convent Street but as I said, it’s more likely than not going in at Compton and Chouteau.
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PostNov 21, 2019#11

Top Golf originally wanted to be at 44/Hampton, where City Streets Dept is HQ’ed, this was a while back but Slay admin said no to selling the land
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PostNov 21, 2019#12

It'll be another superblock anywhere it winds up.  Makes sense w/SLU involved.  Lol.
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PostNov 22, 2019#13

The Chesterfield location, about 25 miles west of downtown at 16851 N. Outer 40 Road, features more than 100 climate-controlled hitting bays overlooking a large outdoor field facing east, away from the afternoon sun. 
Looks like they want Arch views without dealing with the pounding sun
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PostNov 22, 2019#14

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑
Nov 22, 2019
The Chesterfield location, about 25 miles west of downtown at 16851 N. Outer 40 Road, features more than 100 climate-controlled hitting bays overlooking a large outdoor field facing east, away from the afternoon sun. 
Looks like they want Arch views without dealing with the pounding sun
Hitting eastward would just mean the arch view would be from windows opposite of the actual fairway.  It'd probably be the best set up for aesthetic reasons as it would hide a portion of the huge net.  If this thing was visible from the riverfront it would be a terrible mistake.  I'd rather see the grain elevator. 
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PostNov 22, 2019#15

You assume that the building itself would be at the corner of Chouteau and Compton, which hasn't been reported.  It's equally likely that the building would be built on the far West side of the site and hitters would hit facing east.  
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PostNov 22, 2019#16

chriss752 wrote: ↑
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This is the big project I hinted to in the Steelcote thread.
Well that's... disappointing.
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PostNov 22, 2019#17

I don't view it as disappointing. I think this will attract a younger crowd to the area, and will ultimately be a good thing for this neighborhood and city.
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PostNov 22, 2019#18

Would be neat to see it on the Riverfront. Be a bit like Chelsea Piers in NYC if it were built there.
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PostNov 22, 2019#19

chaifetz10 wrote: ↑
Nov 22, 2019
You assume that the building itself would be at the corner of Chouteau and Compton, which hasn't been reported.  It's equally likely that the building would be built on the far West side of the site and hitters would hit facing east.  
The far west side of the site would put it a block (or less) from Steelcote.  This could help attract some retail space to that area.  And there are a couple of buildings there which would make perfect restaurant and nightlife space to add to whatever will be in the clubhouse building, provided SLU doesn't level it all... 
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PostNov 22, 2019#20

Steelcote guys have to be loving it. Will immediately raise the profile of that area. I'm always skeptical about the long term viability of Top Golf, since it's seems like a gimmick concept but you can't deny that their locations have become landmarks in the markets they operate in.

There is minimal chance they'd plop one down in a barren area immediately across the river from the arch.  They're rarely the type of tenant that wants to be the first one revitalizing an area. 
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PostNov 22, 2019#21

KansasCitian wrote: ↑
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I don't view it as disappointing. I think this will attract a younger crowd to the area, and will ultimately be a good thing for this neighborhood and city.
I mean, it's fine. It's not really a "big" project. I guess "big" had me expecting something at least urban instead of another massive field in the middle of the city, albeit one that (presumably) will generate taxes.
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PostNov 22, 2019#22

Of all the massive fields in the middle of the city to get behind, I think this might be the one. 
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PostNov 22, 2019#23

jbacott wrote: ↑
Nov 22, 2019
I'm always skeptical about the long term viability of Top Golf, since it's seems like a gimmick concept but you can't deny that their locations have become landmarks in the markets they operate in.
I know nothing about Top Golf so just looked at some images on Google. Looks like bowling, but golf and a way bigger waste of space. Bowling is still as popular as ever so...

PostNov 22, 2019#24

KansasCitian wrote: ↑
Nov 22, 2019
Of all the massive fields in the middle of the city to get behind, I think this might be the one. 
ok, i'll allow it to exist for now. ;)
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PostNov 22, 2019#25

"Bowling is still as popular as ever" [citation needed] 🙂
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