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I probably wouldn't look ON Cherokee, but rather within a block or two of there. I know the portion west of Jefferson is where most of the new activity is happening. I'm quite interested in the Benton Park area just north of Cherokee and Lemp.

^Good plan. I think in the portion of Benton Park north of Cherokee and south of the actual park is where you can get some good deals these days. The northern part of BP will be tougher to find the same deals, but it never hurts to look there too.

Where will this neighborhood likely be in 2024?

Gateway City wrote:Where will this neighborhood likely be in 2024?

The Loop, minus the chains.

Benton Park and Benton Park West will be whiter, wealthier, have fewer buildings that need to be rehabbed, and may even be seeing modest population growth. Gravois Park probably won't have changed very much, but hopefully its population declines will have flattened out.

^Surely the loss in these neighborhoods like Benton Park will flatten and start to uptick a bit by the next census. A lot of this loss isn't necessarily tons of people still moving, but also natural phenomenon such as elderly people dying off or people having fewer children as well as previous 2 or 3 family homes being consolidated to single family homes one by one.

This area still has a great, relatively intact housing stock and fantastic commercial buildings with lots of potential. I'm sure it is much better than ten years ago. I envision it being in pretty decent shape in another ten. A streetcar down Jefferson wouldn't hurt matters! ha

So in 2024 what will be the new Cherokee Street--Meramec in Dutchtown?

14th street in North City

South Broadway between Nagel and Schirmer

I'm pretty sure a lot of those streets will be a lot like the Loop.

Interesting. I'm pretty sure they'll be nothing like The Loop.

I'm pretty sure they'll be extremely similar to the Loop. Cherokee and the Grove remind me of the Loop when I was a kid. Now the Loop has grown up. These streets will, too. They'll have low vacancy rates, lots of traffic, a better image region-wide, and more activities. And I would literally bet $500 that within those next 10 years, there will be chains on both of them, just as the Loop. 14th Street will probably be what the Grove is right now, though, but with more street-level offices like that Podiatrist. Broadway may, if we're lucky, end up like S. Grand.

Interesting point from an investor evaluating the residential real estate play as a result of the boom down there:

There are some whole blocks of houses north of Cherokee on Utah in which homes are literally falling over on one side. I've never seen anything like it and I've bought homes from the Mississippi to Festus. I'm specifically talking about one block north of the Cherokee/California intersection. Having a couple blocks of the housing stock priced out of rehab might hurt somethings but Cherokee is now in need of sustained, higher wage earning residents.

Gateway City wrote:I'm pretty sure they'll be extremely similar to the Loop. Cherokee and the Grove remind me of the Loop when I was a kid. Now the Loop has grown up. These streets will, too. They'll have low vacancy rates, lots of traffic, a better image region-wide, and more activities. And I would literally bet $500 that within those next 10 years, there will be chains on both of them, just as the Loop. 14th Street will probably be what the Grove is right now, though, but with more street-level offices like that Podiatrist. Broadway may, if we're lucky, end up like S. Grand.

I would suspect one of the first chains to be a Starbucks. While, I prefer locally owned joints, it seems that once a Starbucks rolls into an area, it signals that a measure of 'success' has been achieved in a neighborhood and they feel that the area is sufficiently established to support their model.

I noticed that the company seems to be noticeably absent from south city east of Kingshighway. I'm surprised one hasn't opened on South Grand yet. Has there been a local drive to prevent such an opening there?

There was briefly a drive-thru Starbucks in Kosciuszko, which was torn down for parking for the Family Dollar.

ttricamo wrote:Interesting point from an investor evaluating the residential real estate play as a result of the boom down there:

There are some whole blocks of houses north of Cherokee on Utah in which homes are literally falling over on one side. I've never seen anything like it and I've bought homes from the Mississippi to Festus. I'm specifically talking about one block north of the Cherokee/California intersection. Having a couple blocks of the housing stock priced out of rehab might hurt somethings but Cherokee is now in need of sustained, higher wage earning residents.

I believe that those houses were built on a former quarry site; obviously the fill didn't work out like they planned a hundred years ago. I'm an ardent preservationist, but even I don't think those houses have much of a chance. Probably better to dismantle and reuse as much of their material as possible and turn those lots into "Quarry Park." Luckily it seems to be confined to just that block.

For those who have not caught this yet,

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Excited to see the restoration result.

^ What fantastic news! That little building is a gem and will add more to the puzzle on Cherokee.

Eastward wrote:^Surely the loss in these neighborhoods like Benton Park will flatten and start to uptick a bit by the next census. A lot of this loss isn't necessarily tons of people still moving, but also natural phenomenon such as elderly people dying off or people having fewer children as well as previous 2 or 3 family homes being consolidated to single family homes one by one.

it really is fascinating to see how things are evolving with the demographics of some of the city neighborhoods... we'll be seeing a lot of the baby boomers age out and younger people moving in to many nabes. I do think you're right that things will level off with loss, but I have no idea if by 2020 we'll actually have an increase over 2010. I'm going to post more on the 2020 census thread later.

Starting to see the changes (Yaay) .

starting March 2015 at the lemp brewery
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