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The 4th phase building was to replace 7711 Carondelet (currently designated as Centene Building A) and its adjacent garage, directly southwest of Building B (7700 Forsyth).newstl2020 wrote:^That's correct.
The most recent renders per my recollection were of a 200'-ish apartment tower on the Plaza side of the first garage, an auditorium fronting the Forsyth end of the first garage, and then a third phase (450' tower) where the Trianon site was and a fourth phase (400'-ish tower) just slightly Northwest of Centene 1. This all appears to be in flux with the exception of the auditorium which legally hopefully god willing will be built out along the South end of the first garage.
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Hold up - let's make sure there aren't any jumps to conclusions here. Are you saying that Phase 4 is breaking ground and that this building is actually up for demo soon? Or simply stating that if/when Phase 4 begins, then it would be in danger?
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Gotcha. Just wanted to clarify early on before some assumed this meant there was something imminent / not just in a conceptual state.
^ I think Phase 4 was an "if" originally anyway. Now that Phase 3 (auditorium and 3rd office tower) seems to be tabled for the time being I'm not sure we'll see movement on the 4th phase for the foreseeable future. 7711 is probably going to be sticking around for awhile.
A lot of phases to get to between now and then.
The theater was Subdistrict 2B, which was initially anticipated to break ground Q3 of last year. The residential element on Carondelet Plaza (subdistrict 2C) was anticipated to break ground Q1 of this year. And the plot near the Forsyth Metrolink (Subdistrict 3), perhaps the largest plot of the whole group, was anticipated to break ground in Q1 2020.
With all of these on hold for the time being the demise of the original Centene Building (Subdistrict 4) doesn’t exactly seem imminent.
The theater was Subdistrict 2B, which was initially anticipated to break ground Q3 of last year. The residential element on Carondelet Plaza (subdistrict 2C) was anticipated to break ground Q1 of this year. And the plot near the Forsyth Metrolink (Subdistrict 3), perhaps the largest plot of the whole group, was anticipated to break ground in Q1 2020.
With all of these on hold for the time being the demise of the original Centene Building (Subdistrict 4) doesn’t exactly seem imminent.
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BJ reporting that Ernst and Young is going in. I've hear the Carondalet Tower isn't ideal. Other large tenant may be looking to move soon too
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Not quite sure what either of these statements mean. Can anyone expand on this?JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Oct 22, 2019I've hear the Carondalet Tower isn't ideal. Other large tenant may be looking to move soon too
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Its not a great office building. It has other large tenants. Those tenants may be looking for an upgrade soon.
^I didn’t event realized that building was an office building. I guess I thought it was residential or something else.
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Thanks! Like Jshank I was unaware that was office. A move to downtown would be excellent but absent that, large enough to make a dent as an anchor tenant in Centene 3 on the old Trianon site?JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Oct 23, 2019Its not a great office building. It has other large tenants. Those tenants may be looking for an upgrade soon.
Olin is also headquartered in there I believe.
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Very, very early in the construction but my god does the second garage look horrible so far.
Are you referring to 190 Carondelet Plaza - the building diagonally across the street from the new Centene Tower (115 Carondelet Plaza)?jeff707 wrote: ↑Oct 23, 2019E&Y and Husch Blackwell are the big tenants.
Assuming you're referring to 190 Carondelet Plaza, it's part of a complex of two towers (The Plaza) and an adjoining building between them - the smaller tower is office, the taller tower is residential. Stan Kroenke owns the penthouse at 150 Carondelet Plaza (on the left).jshank83 wrote: ↑Oct 23, 2019^I didn’t event realized that building was an office building. I guess I thought it was residential or something else.
Does anyone have a sense for when the first office move-ins will start?
It looks like they’ve made some significant headway on the office build outs in some of the lower floors, and the lobby and exterior plazas are shaping up. They’ve already got one garage done and the adjacent garage shouldn’t take all that much longer now that they’re piecing it together.
It looks like they’ve made some significant headway on the office build outs in some of the lower floors, and the lobby and exterior plazas are shaping up. They’ve already got one garage done and the adjacent garage shouldn’t take all that much longer now that they’re piecing it together.
^ Business Journal reporting on EY moving their Clayton office into Centene Centre says they plan on moving in sometime in December of 2020.
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The large crane they have been using for the Parking garage has come out of the hole and is taken apart. From the webcams it appears as though the parking structure may be complete (the pre-fab portion) and the remainder may be similar to the North end of the parking garage in that it may be steel structural construction.
So are both these parking garages just normal parking garages? Do they have retail in them or anything? Just seems weird they build 2 parking garages next to each other but one building. I know more supposedly is coming but that is just a lot of continuous parking garage if there isn't anything with it.newstl2020 wrote: ↑Mar 03, 2020The large crane they have been using for the Parking garage has come out of the hole and is taken apart. From the webcams it appears as though the parking structure may be complete (the pre-fab portion) and the remainder may be similar to the North end of the parking garage in that it may be steel structural construction.
^ I believe there are commercial spaces in the bottom of each garage. And yes, they are just two large garages meant to serve the eventual buildout of the larger campus. Not just the recently constructed building. Now that the WellCare deal is done, coupled with the Clayton office market’s demand, hopefully we’ll see some movement sooner than later on the future phases. Especially the one by the Forsyth station...would be great to finally fill that giant hole in.