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PostJul 01, 2020#1401

^ I think more big STL executives need to come out and start taking shots. Maybe then we’ll see some legitimate movement on the City/County divide (what ever happened to the BoF lol), crime, inequality, schools, etc.

A guy like Neidorff carries a lot of weight...

Still don’t get the fascination with turnstiles though lol.

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PostJul 01, 2020#1402

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Shots fired across the bow by Neidorff. Don’t forget Centene is also building a campus near Sacramento for 5k workers.  A shame more of these jobs aren’t coming here.
Brutal.

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PostJul 01, 2020#1403

Does everybody believe that these comments were made to improve St. Louis where they’ve made a huge investment or is he saying this to get more incentives from the county and the city of Clayton? I do not disagree with his comments, but it’s not like Charlotte hasn’t had their own problems. They’ve got their stuff together better than we do but they still have issues.

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PostJul 01, 2020#1404

Why can't it be a little of both?  I don't doubt that there are at the very least some issues recruiting people to St. Louis with recent events and perceptions of many associating St. Louis with crime.

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PostJul 01, 2020#1405

Some shooting stories out of Charlotte. 
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/ ... 39406.html
https://www.wbtv.com/2020/06/07/year-ol ... charlotte/
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nc/charlo ... -apartment
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/pol ... g-71378467

Why has Mecklenburg County added 190k people the last decade and Stl County none?
Charlotte MSA will have no trouble passing StL next decade.

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PostJul 01, 2020#1406

$450,000,000 thats how much they're getting from locals and the state to create 3,200 jobs...thats the headline and the story

There is also nothing wrong with his comments (other than the silly turnstiles thing, which is just never going to happen because it costs too much to add it now instead of 20 years ago and BTW Charlotte has no turnstiles either)  his comments about state leadership are spot on- the governor is a dumbass who couldnt lead the blind. 

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PostJul 01, 2020#1407

Anybody know the total number of Centene employees in St. Louis? The total number once the expansion is done?

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PostJul 01, 2020#1408

dbInSouthCity wrote:
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$450,000,000 thats how much they're getting from locals and the state to create 3,200 jobs...thats the headline and the story

There is also nothing wrong with his comments (other than the silly turnstiles thing, which is just never going to happen because it costs too much to add it now instead of 20 years ago and BTW Charlotte has no turnstiles either)  his comments about state leadership are spot on- the governor is a dumbass who couldnt lead the blind. 
Out of curiosity, what is the "silly turnstiles thing"? I don't have access to the Business Journal.

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PostJul 01, 2020#1409

He insists that MetroLink should be a closed system.
Although Charlotte’s light rail system is also an open system.


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PostJul 02, 2020#1410

Missouri is a hot mess so is St Louis specially with continued divide over the roof crime. Is St Louis even trying to change??


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PostJul 02, 2020#1411

Honestly I don't think he went hard enough. We are the 20th most populous MSA in the country. With the way cities just below us are growing, we could very well be closer to 30th at the end of the decade.

Wages are stagnant, and no amount of marketing on twitter will get a halfway intelligent young professional to relocate here and stay, or a young St. Louisan with options to stay. The low cost of living is more a reflection of a lack of demand than anything, and the core issues which cause this brain drain (crime and schools, crime and schools, crime and schools) continue to be ignored by people in power.

I already felt that the Holy Grail of municipal mergers was an overblown "solution", but I am starting to think that more and more, it won't change much at all.

Maybe when we are no longer able to sustain an NHL team in the face of competition from rapidly growing MSA's, people will wake up. That seems to be the only thing that will wake St. Louisans up.

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PostJul 02, 2020#1412

If there's one thing St. Louisans have always been able to rally around together, it's good old fashioned self loathing.

PostJul 02, 2020#1413

Accenture LITERALLY announced 1400 jobs moving here with an announcement stating the exact opposite of what Nierdorff just said ONE WEEK AGO. It sounds like he touches on some important and relevant points. Great. I hope it moves the region forward. One negative interview does not = the blues leaving and the city imploding. My god people.

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PostJul 02, 2020#1414

^It's all a game to get more incentive money. 

Pieces of sh*t at Centene. Promising to build this huge complex, gets all of these incentives then builds one office building and two gigantic (and ugly) parking garages while cancelling the auditorium and residential components of their project. Then, to rub it in, they propose a shack of a welcome center to say "we still care". No. Go away. If you can't fulfill your commitment and have to look elsewhere, then don't trash our city because you already know you're set in your ways of moving the HQ in so many years because you just scammed your way to the fullest extent to get incentives for a false mega project and the backlash from that is clear. 

And then to say that St. Louis can't attract talent for "X, Y, Z reasons" is crap. Square is moving here. Accenture is moving here. Bunge is moving here. Benson Hill is expanding here. And several companies are setting up sizable operations here (Commerce Bank, Equifax). If Centene can't see that these other businesses are doing that, then clearly Centene is in the wrong here with their approach to hiring people. If they feel they can get a better group of people working for them in Charlotte, fine but they no longer have my support for screwing our region over during this time when we are changing direction.

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PostJul 02, 2020#1415

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^It's all a game to get more incentive money. 
That's the start and the end of it.

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PostJul 02, 2020#1416

Trust me I love St Louis and want nothing but good here and I want to see good positive growth in all forms including population. St Louis is in a state that cares nothing about it we have a useless governor and our fragmented leadership doesn’t help the cause. The thing that irks me about Centene is their lack of interest in the city that bothers me to an extent. If he wants to see change maybe he Should start with his company putting plentiful jobs in our downtown and not in Charlotte but he’s not going to do that it’s not the Centene way. St Louis deserves better commitments and leadership


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PostJul 02, 2020#1417

chriss752 wrote:
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^It's all a game to get more incentive money. 

Pieces of sh*t at Centene. Promising to build this huge complex, gets all of these incentives then builds one office building and two gigantic (and ugly) parking garages while cancelling the auditorium and residential components of their project. Then, to rub it in, they propose a shack of a welcome center to say "we still care". No. Go away. If you can't fulfill your commitment and have to look elsewhere, then don't trash our city because you already know you're set in your ways of moving the HQ in so many years because you just scammed your way to the fullest extent to get incentives for a false mega project and the backlash from that is clear. 

And then to say that St. Louis can't attract talent for "X, Y, Z reasons" is crap. Square is moving here. Accenture is moving here. Bunge is moving here. Benson Hill is expanding here. And several companies are setting up sizable operations here (Commerce Bank, Equifax). If Centene can't see that these other businesses are doing that, then clearly Centene is in the wrong here with their approach to hiring people. If they feel they can get a better group of people working for them in Charlotte, fine but they no longer have my support for screwing our region over during this time when we are changing direction.
Well-said! They are sounding more and more like a “Hardee’s 2.0” if you remember that situation.

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PostJul 02, 2020#1418

DogtownBnR wrote:Anybody know the total number of Centene employees in St. Louis? The total number once the expansion is done?
The article mentions 4700 St. Louis employees.


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PostJul 02, 2020#1419

Centene relies on Medicaid and our hillbilly legislature won’t expand it.

Also the bellyaching over our population is overblown. Has it been great? No, could it be worse? Yes, see Pitt, Cleve and Detroit.

Sun belt and western cities are going to continue to pass us and other midwestern cities for the foreseeable future and it has little to do with crime and schools. The second City could easily be the 7th metro by 2040.

Whoever said there is nothing more St Louis than self loathing hit the nail on the head. This town needs an attitude adjustment

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PostJul 02, 2020#1420

newstl2020 wrote:
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Accenture LITERALLY announced 1400 jobs moving here with an announcement stating the exact opposite of what Nierdorff just said ONE WEEK AGO. It sounds like he touches on some important and relevant points. Great. I hope it moves the region forward. One negative interview does not = the blues leaving and the city imploding. My god people.
Not downtown. Not Cortex. Not Clayton. To  a couple of miles outside the 270 loop in Town & Country.

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PostJul 02, 2020#1421

dweebe wrote:
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newstl2020 wrote:
Jul 02, 2020
Accenture LITERALLY announced 1400 jobs moving here with an announcement stating the exact opposite of what Nierdorff just said ONE WEEK AGO. It sounds like he touches on some important and relevant points. Great. I hope it moves the region forward. One negative interview does not = the blues leaving and the city imploding. My god people.
Not downtown. Not Cortex. Not Clayton. To  a couple of miles outside the 270 loop in Town & Country.
That’s the kind of thinking that’s going to right the ship

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PostJul 02, 2020#1422

I think this interview on KMOX with Neidorff has been pretty good. A lot of insights to his thoughts. Says he wants to help make changes and will do all he can to help. Also said he thinks it can get done.

Top 3 actions:
Police reform - regional look, better training, etc
Airport -  Said if it wasn't for covid he thinks we would have had a flight to Europe (apparently he was involved) need to get more flights on airlines with reserved seats. Invest in airport ourselves (not privatization)
Education system especially K-1

Worth looking up when you get a chance. 

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PostJul 02, 2020#1423

What will it take to get the state to be interested in infrastructure other than highways? It would be nice if they helped with the airport.

And more interested in schools, like not spending $50M in general revenue to subsidize driving and put it to schools.

So tired of the state getting off the hook.

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PostJul 04, 2020#1424

I think he is being hypocritical. Jobs and investment are what drives most of what he wants. Building in Clayton was not the worst place they could have been, however being strategic and purposeful like Square is doing would have gone a long way. It seem like all he sees is the bad when there is so much rebirth happening in our community.

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PostJul 04, 2020#1425

Granted these weren't major executive level decision makers, but the general attitude among the managers and directors I worked with was pretty anti-city. The amount of belly-aching I heard just about moving to Clayton... jeez.

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