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PostJul 04, 2020#1426

Centene CEO says Charlotte is a HQ option, if St. Louis doesn't improve
Cites crime, airport, mass transportation, schools, COVID-19 response
centene-corporation-hq-s-t1128-s1400.html#p323234
Geez than who will live in all of the twig and stick apartments!
(oh thats right all the rich doctors HAHAHA!)

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PostJul 04, 2020#1427

Mecklenburg County has 1 school district, one EMS, a combined city county police dept, and 8 municipalities. For 1.1 M people. Amazing. They must all be above average supermen and women.

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PostJul 06, 2020#1428

Builders starting installing lattice on the windows of the new garage next to Centene on Forsyth. I appreciate each of the two new garages having different facades, but IMO, the window mullions are colonial style and do not fit great next to the modern glass design of Centene.   It seems like unnecessary flair to try to make the parking garage look more like apartments. 
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PostJul 07, 2020#1429

Aesir wrote:
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The low cost of living is more a reflection of a lack of demand than anything, and the core issues which cause this brain drain (crime and schools, crime and schools, crime and schools) continue to be ignored by people in power.
A lot of this... during the whole brouhaha with the McCloskeys last week, when people from the coasts on Twitter saw the pictures of their monstrous 19,000 sf CWE castle and then saw that Zillow estimated its value  at $1.7 million, they were absolutely floored that you could get that much house anywhere for that price. In San Francisco, the median house price is currently $1.7 million, which will get you maybe 2,000 square feet. Anyway, the common snarky response when people asked, "What's the catch?" was, "Sure, it's an amazing value, but it means you have to live in St. Louis". Ouch.

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PostJul 07, 2020#1430

As much as I love hate St Louis It has a lot of good hidden gems. Yeah race relations are not the greatest however that can be said about most of this Trump thumping country “sarcasm” . Centene had the option to help downtown instead they chose to stay in suburbia nation so if they really wanted St Louis to change they had the power to do so and chose not too. Does the city need to get its sh*t together absolutely however most of the same companies that call St Louis home choose otherwise so there for they should t be b*tching about St Louis’s problems when they are apart of it except for a few exceptions. The building blocks are there for St Louis to be a wonderful peaceful progressive city. While I have the option to buy a home here most people out west don’t unless you want to live in a Domino’s pizza box.


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PostJul 07, 2020#1431

"Before serving notice that St. Louis needed to change, Centene CEO left Civic Progress"

https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 0155a.html

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PostJul 08, 2020#1432

Nicklaus and Gallagher had a little chat about this:
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 39788.html

Gallagher came out swinging at Neidorff.  He was mostly correct too, to the point where I wonder if he lurks around here lol.
  
One, there isn't really any issue with Centene having a large East Coast operation.  Centene has close to 70,000 employees and having three primary campuses (one in the center and one on each coast) with between 5,000 and 6,000 employees each isn't really that crazy.  Especially considering the work they do and as states (like NC and California) continue to expand Medicaid.  I wouldn't be surprised if there is a bit of a job bump in St. Louis if Missouri follows suit this August and expands Medicaid...and I believe we will if past constitutional amendments (minimum wage, right to work, medical pot) are any indication.

Two, crime.  Yes, it's bad here...but our perception and the way we go about harping on it to anyone and everyone is also pretty damn bad.  Gallagher made a good point that when comparing the metro areas, Charlotte and St. Louis have roughly the same per-capita crime rates.  He basically just laughed at the MetroLink anecdote and I agree.  I'd be willing to bet this "executives wife" saw a few too many black folks for her comfort level...nothing more, nothing less.  Like some have mentioned here...St. Louis folks need a fuc*ing attitude adjustment.  
Edit:  I'll also add that cities across the country are seeing large increases in shootings and killings.  New York, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Minneapolis and Chicago...including more than half a dozen children shot to death in Chicago since June 20th.

He also mentioned Centene's massive thirst for incentives, which considering the Clayton Campus, the Sacramento Campus and the nearly $460 million promised by NC officials, Centene has probably hoodwinked municipalities and states out of a billion dollars or more.

But...and this is I think what Nicklaus was trying to say...

Neidorff isn't totally wrong either.  Jefferson City is a fuc*ing joke, largely controlled by rural interests more interested in felicitating Trump than actually working to better the state.  St. Louis City and County are a dysfunctional mess when it actually comes to the business of governing and like quincunx points out...Charlotte (for just over 1 million folks) has 8 municipalities, one police department, one fire department, and one school district.  For roughly the same amount of people in St. Louis County there are over 85 municipalities, over 50 police departments, over 40 fire districts/departments and 22 school districts.  This doesn't even include the independent City of St. Louis.  And all any of those entities do here is bit*h at each other.

Neidorff sounds like a typical suburban a**hole from St. Louis County...but I don't think any of us can realistically deny that Charlotte has their sh*t together compared to this region.

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PostJul 09, 2020#1433

Here is some more commentary on Centene and Neidorff from Christy Maxfield, who is president and CEO of Purpose First Advisors, a St. Louis-based business consultancy that helps small-business owners — particularly women, Black, Indigenous and people of color — build profitable enterprises. She is also a former board member and treasurer of Forward Through Ferguson.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... s_headline
Last week, while reflecting on his company’s decision to build an East Coast headquarters in Charlotte, North Carolina, Centene Corp. CEO Michael Neidorff noted “there are a lot of things that need to change and improve (in St. Louis).” If they don’t, he made clear that while Clayton remains Centene’s headquarters for now, “whether that continues is ‘not up to us’.”  Particularly concerning is Mr. Neidorff’s threat that he won’t be the one to make that decision. Rather he asserts that “it’s up to the people that create an environment that a Fortune 25 company wants to be in.” 

It is an abdication of responsibility to suggest that business leaders are not among the parties responsible for the region’s economic prosperity. It denies the pivotal role they have played in generations of intentional civic, political, and economic decisions designed to extract as much wealth from St. Louis’ Black communities as possible, then marginalizing, abandoning, and destroying them. These decisions have crippled specific communities (Mill Creek Valley, Meacham Park, and the Greater Ville, among others) and negatively impacted our entire region.

As Walter Johnson thoroughly explains in his recent book, The Broken Heart of America, the environment that makes it hard for Centene to recruit talent to the region did not happen by accident. It is not the byproduct of individual choices or situational lapses in leadership. It is by design. At every opportunity, local, regional, and state leadership — in boardrooms, council meetings, and legislative sessions — have opted to, at best, discourage and, at worst, actively undermine regional growth in order to preserve white wealth and privilege.

The calls to action in the Ferguson Report name specific parties — including corporations — responsible for working together to create a more unified, equitable St. Louis. The report represents the efforts of 3,000 people who contributed 30,000 hours exploring the root causes of our region’s racial inequities. We know what to do, and while there has been some modest progress, our business leaders have largely resisted doing the hard work required to create systemic change. As a result, the system continues to work as designed — putting Centene on track to make $112 billion in revenue this year from the Medicare, Medicaid, military and veteran, and prison health care plans it manages, while failing to create the educated, skilled workforce it needs or the vibrant and attractive business environment it wants — an environment Centene holds others in the region responsible for creating.

What if, instead of shifting blame, corporate leaders doubled down on where they are instead of adopting a strategy of corporate flight? What would be possible if the many years and hundreds of millions of corporate dollars spent, charitable gifts made, and tax dollars deferred were invested in new policy decisions that remedy the root causes of inequity and end systemic racism rather than glossing over, minimizing, or ignoring them? If we made moonshot-scale investments in education, housing, transportation, and health care through the lens of racial equity? And if rather than transactional, zero-sum relationships with our region, corporations stepped up to invest in targeted solutions that produce long-term, mutually beneficial outcomes?

St. Louis deserves to be an environment that is vibrant and attractive, not only so we can attract and retain the people and jobs we need to prosper, but more importantly so we can provide a more equitable community in which those of us already here can thrive and succeed. Nearly six years after the death of Michael Brown, 20 years since the creation of the Regional Business Council, 65 years since the formation of Civic Progress, and 184 years since the founding of the St. Louis Regional Chamber the question remains, do St. Louis’ corporate and civic leaders have the will to make it happen?

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PostJul 10, 2020#1434

^Bravo!

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PostJul 10, 2020#1435

Is it me, or does this sound a little bit like Stank Kroenke.

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PostJul 10, 2020#1436

^ I don’t really think so. While I have some issues with what Neidorff said, his overall point isn’t exactly wrong. Kroenke basically said anyone or any business coming to St. Louis would be a failure (never mind all his massive and extremely lucrative businesses in the region lol) and on the road to ruin. Neidorff seems to understand St. Louis has the assets for him to compete, but our disjointed and fragmented leadership makes it that much more difficult for us to compete and to fix the regions long running issues.

Leaving Civic Progress and saying it’s not up to him to help create a region a Fortune 25 company wants to be in was immensely stupid and shortsighted, as Ms. Maxfield so eloquently pointed out, but Neidorff at least seems more willing to help. Which is more than you could ever say about Stan Kroenke.

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PostJul 10, 2020#1437

Neidorff is definitely correct that STL has specific, outstanding issues that need to be managed much, much better: 
  • Crime, especially violent crime, and STL's image as a hub for crime. 
  • Airport: We have excess capacity, and we need more flights with more carriers. 
  • Mass transportation, i.e. MetroLink. 
  • Schools & Education (always after Crime for what can be better). 
  • COVID-19 response - but we'll see where that's at after the August vote for Medicare expansion. 
He's stated out loud what we all have known for years. 

No doubt: It's hard to recruit for talent when candidates are reasonably hesitant to move here. 

Then again, pulling out of Civic Progress... What did that do to help? Is withdrawing and isolating really that good a strategy? 
Is he trying to play the role of "bad guy" so everyone else in the business community steps up to act? 

Centene has stepped up previously to be a good citizen. I can point out first how they've built new operations in Ferguson right after everything Mike Brown went down, and consciously so. Then again, there's also the questions of public sector subsidies, which has a huge role in this. 

Best answer: STL needs to step up and handle the 5 areas he stated head-on and actually farking do something this time. We need to change both the perception and the reality. 
If we can do this and make real progress, then we don't have to feel compelled to offer subsidies to certain corporations anymore (*cough* Centene). If we make real progress with the above stuff, to the point where they say they're satisfied, then maybe they won't feel the need to ask for more public monies. If they balk at that, then they'd be understood to be full of crap. It'd be more damaging to be known as a corporation with a bad reputation than to be a corporation in a city with a bad reputation. 

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PostJul 10, 2020#1438

He have no regional structure.  Other than Jeff City.   Entities like St. Louis County only want to deal with tiny things affecting their immediate boundaries, and have no appetite for representing the entire area.

Oklahoma City and a lot of other cities, especially out West, saw how cities like St. Louis got box in by their own suburbs years ago.  So they shot their city limits 40 miles far out into farmland way back in the 1960's.  Their city IS their regional structure.  Our little fiefdoms can't compete with these regional behemoths.  

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PostJul 10, 2020#1439

Good points, however it's going to take some time to get these things done even if we have full buy in from city and county leaders. Therefore, until these things are accomplished, can we stop giving our crime data to the FBI? Giving STL city crime data to the FBI based on a population of 300k makes the whole STL region look bad. It's disingenuous to the STL region as a whole. I could be wrong, but I understand that Chicago doesn't share their crime data with the FBI, why do we? 

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PostJul 10, 2020#1440

^ i thought that Chicago doesn't share their stats because they collect them in a way that isn't compatible with FBI reporting. maybe that's intentional.

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PostJul 11, 2020#1441

We could start collecting them regionally and handing them out regionally. Not sure what that really looks like in terms of reporting. If the city doesn't act on candidates to the board of freeholders, or if they don't do anything, what options would regular citizens have to do anything. I feel like regional cooperation will require stripping some powerful people of a bit of their privilege: reducing the independence of rich and powerful suburbs to use their own taxes as they see fit, for instance, so that the monies thus generated can be used towards regional goals and not strictly personal goals. And while I very much think that's true (it's essentially creating a mini "federalist" system in our region) it's not going to go over well with the fancy people. But short of that, what the heck can you do? You can't really squeeze blood from a stone. There's no more tax money to be had in our poor neighborhoods, but they really desperately need help. And that help has to come from somewhere else. It's got to be redistributed for a communal good. (Which ultimately helps everyone. But . . . tell that to Country Life Acres.)

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PostJul 12, 2020#1442

Could we expand the role of GRG with a new tax vote that would get suburban tax money into the core and still be popular enough in St Charles, Jeffco and St Louis County to pass?


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PostJul 12, 2020#1443

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We could start collecting them regionally and handing them out regionally. Not sure what that really looks like in terms of reporting. If the city doesn't act on candidates to the board of freeholders, or if they don't do anything, what options would regular citizens have to do anything. I feel like regional cooperation will require stripping some powerful people of a bit of their privilege: reducing the independence of rich and powerful suburbs to use their own taxes as they see fit, for instance, so that the monies thus generated can be used towards regional goals and not strictly personal goals. And while I very much think that's true (it's essentially creating a mini "federalist" system in our region) it's not going to go over well with the fancy people. But short of that, what the heck can you do? You can't really squeeze blood from a stone. There's no more tax money to be had in our poor neighborhoods, but they really desperately need help. And that help has to come from somewhere else. It's got to be redistributed for a communal good. (Which ultimately helps everyone. But . . . tell that to Country Life Acres.)
I believe that Minneapolis and Portland have great regional models with things like revenue sharing, regional planning, transportation planning, etc., basically it would be like if we really empowered EW-Gateway with the power to use tax dollars to implement all these regional plans we make that collect dust. In this situation, Stenger wouldn't have had the veto power on N-S Metrolink. 

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PostJul 13, 2020#1444

Seems despite the public comments, Centene has been on a hiring spree in St. Louis.  In April 2019 Centene had 4,700 local employees.  Centene has reported to the Business Journal that as of June of this year that number is now 5,500.  There are an additional 450 open positions in St. Louis too.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... s_headline

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PostJul 13, 2020#1445

gone corporate wrote:
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Centene has stepped up previously to be a good citizen. I can point out first how they've built new operations in Ferguson right after everything Mike Brown went down, and consciously so. Then again, there's also the questions of public sector subsidies, which has a huge role in this. 

Best answer: STL needs to step up and handle the 5 areas he stated head-on and actually farking do something this time. We need to change both the perception and the reality. 
If we can do this and make real progress, then we don't have to feel compelled to offer subsidies to certain corporations anymore (*cough* Centene). If we make real progress with the above stuff, to the point where they say they're satisfied, then maybe they won't feel the need to ask for more public monies. If they balk at that, then they'd be understood to be full of crap. It'd be more damaging to be known as a corporation with a bad reputation than to be a corporation in a city with a bad reputation. 
Completely agree -- hopefully the silver lining from his critique can actually serve to motivate civic leaders and St. Louisans. Maybe they'll realize that our future won't be as comfortable as it is now if there's no real change down the road. 

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PostJul 17, 2020#1446

 II thought I would chime in with my opinion.  

1.  Centene has a bad reputation as a place to work.  The recruiters know as well as the candidates.  It not one of the best places to work in St Louis.  They do not promote a good work life balance with their ancient work ethic.  Wake up Mike, it's not the 80's any more.  Most companies are switching to a work-from-home model.  All the best candidates are going to choose that model over Centene.
2.  As far as Metrolink goes, who is their right mind would suggest someone use that for someone not familiar with it.  I have been all over the US and can't think of one that I would suggest someone to travel on it by themselves.  Doesn't Centene know their own backyard?
3.  I recently worked at a company with a major office in Charlotte where they could not fill positions due to it being in....well Charlotte.  There are a lot of issues in North Carolina, just ak why the NCAA.

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PostJul 17, 2020#1447

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 II thought I would chime in with my opinion.  

1.  Centene has a bad reputation as a place to work.  The recruiters know as well as the candidates.  It not one of the best places to work in St Louis.  They do not promote a good work life balance with their ancient work ethic.  Wake up Mike, it's not the 80's any more.  Most companies are switching to a work-from-home model.  All the best candidates are going to choose that model over Centene.
2.  As far as Metrolink goes, who is their right mind would suggest someone use that for someone not familiar with it.  I have been all over the US and can't think of one that I would suggest someone to travel on it by themselves.  Doesn't Centene know their own backyard?
3.  I recently worked at a company with a major office in Charlotte where they could not fill positions due to it being in....well Charlotte.  There are a lot of issues in North Carolina, just ak why the NCAA.
Agreed for the most part (Re reputation: I've head some things but have never worked there so I can't speak to it personally.)

This is a complete power play for incentives dressed up in an interview about the region. Making accurate points doesn't change the intent.

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PostJul 17, 2020#1448

^ Agree with everything but the MetroLink comments.  Neidorff sounds like a fearful suburban family scared of all things east of 270.

Can't speak to the work culture, but I'm not surprised.  He doesn't look like a guy in line with the 21st Century (granted you could say the same about the governments in this region...sorry couldn't help myself lol).

Going off of this...here is a blistering take by Ray Hartmann at the RFT:
https://www.riverfronttimes.com/stlouis ... TopFeature

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PostJul 17, 2020#1449

sc4mayor wrote:
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He doesn't look like a guy in line with the 21st Century.
Wow. So thoughtless. 

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PostJul 17, 2020#1450

^ If Neidorff had put a little more thought into his comments...I wouldn’t be saying that.

He brought this on himself (not that he cares what I think anyway lol).

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