It was billed as a performing arts center almost from the getgo. That's probably how they got some of the incentives. I assume you're correct in that it would mostly host corporate functions and meetings, but Clayton is conspicuously short on theatre seats for such a densely built area. I don't believe it's intended to have the kind of capacity of a Fox or Kiel, but I could easily see it hosting smaller shows along similar lines to the Touhill. (Ironically, I'd say Touhill is pretty solidly the best hall in town from a technical standpoint. And it has more than enough seats to host about anything. It's truly an A-grade facility. . . . But it's halfway to nowhere. Location, location, location.) Anyway, Centene's auditorium will be well placed and genuinely useful if probably a touch small. Note: Wash U's Edison Theatre, which is an absolute horror show from a technical perspective, still gets booked. Because it's well placed. Complete opposite of Touhill. (Man, if you could swap those two . . . )The Mayor wrote: ^^ Where did this performing arts center come from? I was under the impression that the auditorium was going to be for large corporate meetings and employee events...not something that would primarily be used along the lines of places in Grand Center or at the universities.
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Looks like Centene picked up a big chunk of space in West County. Not sure if expanding faster then they can build in Clayton, consolidating multiple leases under one roof, something temporary or long term (too bad not downtown if long term) and or if all of the above. Not sure what is meant as its $770 campus expansion is underway
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The managed care provider is growing its footprint in the St. Louis metro area as its $770 campus expansion is under way.
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The managed care provider is growing its footprint in the St. Louis metro area as its $770 campus expansion is under way.
^ Here is the text for those interested:
Does anyone have any details about where things sit with the Centene expansion? I've only seen that the remaining subdistricts were canceled here on UrbanSTL, no press anywhere else. I can't find anything on Centene's site either. The auditorium camera shows its pit has been nearly filled in with dirt. Is that still on the table? Or is Clayton just getting the one office building and two massive garages now?Centene Corp. (NYSE: CNC) is leasing Corporate Hill IV, a former Scottrade Financial Services building in Des Peres, the Business Journal has learned. Building permits filed with St. Louis County indicate that Centene will lease all six floors of the 174,965-square-foot building at 12800 Corporate Hill Drive. The building's new owner, Chicago-based Franklin Partners, has tapped Answers Inc., a Ballwin architecture and consulting firm, for the renovation. One permit, valued at $5.2 million, indicates that Franklin Partners is also planning to add a new parking structure to the campus. All of the building permits, filed this month, are still under review by the county. A Centene spokesperson said the company signed a lease "in Des Peres to accommodate continued growth and business needs. This space will be occupied in 2020. Additional information will be shared once finalized."It's not clear how many Centene employees will work out of this location nor when they could occupy the building. Franklin Partners did not responded to requests for comment. Centene's lease at Corporate Hill IV follows its new lease last quarter of the entire Woodlands Plaza building in Westport, nearly 88,000 square feet. Centene now occupies some 1.2 million square feet in the St. Louis metropolitan area, not including its $770 million campus expansion in Clayton, according to Colliers research.
That expansion includes a 27-story office tower of which Centene will occupy roughly 75% beginning in late 2020 when the building is expected to be finished. Bank of America also is set to be a tenant there.Centene officials have said that the expansion will bring 2,000 jobs, including 1,000 new jobs, to the region.
Franklin Partners acquired Corporate Hill IV late last year for $11.6 million, county records show. CBRE’s Mark Palmer and Artie Kerckhoff represented Franklin Partners in the sale, as well as in the lease with Centene. CBRE's T.J. Redmond represented the seller, TD Ameritrade. CBRE declined to comment on Centene's lease. Drury Development Corp. acquired the another Scottrade building, at 13075 Manchester Road, last year for $10.5 million, St. Louis County records show.
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^Unfortunately nothing concrete here. Until there's some color on the length of the leases I wouldn't read too much into with regard to options in Clayton. Interesting though, that's a lot of space being gobbled up around the 270 belt.
As of a couple days ago they were still excavating the auditorium site. The camera is pointed at a pile of dirt that you can't see over.
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Pull it together Biz Journal, their construction project is just a little more expensive:
"The managed care provider is growing its footprint in the St. Louis metro area as its $770 campus expansion is under way."
"The managed care provider is growing its footprint in the St. Louis metro area as its $770 campus expansion is under way."
Thanks for the info! That's good to hear, it is a crappy angle...they should move the camera across the street to the old Famous.tztag wrote: As of a couple days ago they were still excavating the auditorium site. The camera is pointed at a pile of dirt that you can't see over.
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Too bad they couldn't venture further into the core of the region with some of these leases. They could have easily gobbled up a big chunk of space downtown as well with metrolink offering direct connection between campuses..newstl2020 wrote: ^Unfortunately nothing concrete here. Until there's some color on the length of the leases I wouldn't read too much into with regard to options in Clayton. Interesting though, that's a lot of space being gobbled up around the 270 belt.
Did the BPV deal that went south really piss them off that much?
I doubt they are holding any ill-will towards anyone over the BPV deal, it's just business. Centene also recently leased space in the City at the Highlands.dredger wrote:Too bad they couldn't venture further into the core of the region with some of these leases. They could have easily gobbled up a big chunk of space downtown as well with metrolink offering direct connection between campuses..newstl2020 wrote: ^Unfortunately nothing concrete here. Until there's some color on the length of the leases I wouldn't read too much into with regard to options in Clayton. Interesting though, that's a lot of space being gobbled up around the 270 belt.
Did the BPV deal that went south really piss them off that much?
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I know this is anecdotal but from a few people I've talked to at Centene, a lot of higher level people are already pretty pissed having to move all the way to Clayton. Thus according to them Centene will not be moving downtown anytime soon. The important people just live too far away.
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I will add to the anecdotes, but I've heard the same as the above poster. I mentioned moving Centene to the AT&T building (I work in IT and nothing to do with where Centene chooses to go) and people laughed. They would prefer to work at our Chesterfield offices.
^ & ^^ That’s strange since Centene has been headquartered within a one block radius for at least the last 15 years. Perhaps as far back as its founding in the mid-80’s.
“My company is moving across the street, whoa is me.” Just seems a bit odd.
Also, there’s obviously no reason to move your home to Clayton or otherwise just because your employer is moving across the street from a building that is about 100’ from the headquarters before that. Your commute just might be changed by 15 seconds or so.
“My company is moving across the street, whoa is me.” Just seems a bit odd.
Also, there’s obviously no reason to move your home to Clayton or otherwise just because your employer is moving across the street from a building that is about 100’ from the headquarters before that. Your commute just might be changed by 15 seconds or so.
Pretty sure STLHistoryBuff is talking about a theoretical move from Clayton to downtown. And re: GoHarvOrGoHome's post, I know they used to have a presence at 16090 Swingley Ridge Rd in Chesterfield (the glass building visible roughtly at I-64 and Clarkson/Clayton) - perhaps the higher-ups he was referring to had to move from Chesterfield to Clayton? I think the point is that the majority of their workers live in West Co and/or St. Chas Co, so a commuter's preference (absent anything other than their own convenience) would be to move the business west, not further east.wabash wrote: ^ & ^^ That’s strange since Centene has been headquartered within a one block radius for at least the last 15 years. Perhaps as far back as its founding in the mid-80’s.
“My company is moving across the street, whoa is me.” Just seems a bit odd.
Also, there’s obviously no reason to move your home to Clayton or otherwise just because your employer is moving across the street from a building that is about 100’ from the headquarters before that. Your commute just might be changed by 15 seconds or so.
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Yeah, I was talking about a theoretical move to Downtown. They brought up the 1% tax, crime, and extended commutes as reasons they would hate it. They just couldn't grasp why I thought it would be a good idea to have a presence Downtown. This is just the average employee with some management saying this. I only know how one VP feels on it and they wanted to move all of IT to Chesterfield. It never happened, but that's what they wanted.
Centene still has a big presence in Chesterfield. I work in Clayton, but most of IT is out there. People prefer it out there because it's generally closer to where they live and it's just more lax out there in regards to things like dress code.
Centene still has a big presence in Chesterfield. I work in Clayton, but most of IT is out there. People prefer it out there because it's generally closer to where they live and it's just more lax out there in regards to things like dress code.
I walked around the project this am. Taking them a while to get the foundation prep done for the next garage. First garage looking almost done. The auditorium site is being cleaned up, but in talking to one of the workers that portion is on hold so they are just cleaning up and adding a retaining wall so it can sit empty. They are also grading the area where the residential was supposed to go. Really surprised there has been no news on the new plan.
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All of these top C level execs live in either Clayton or Ladue.GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:I know this is anecdotal but from a few people I've talked to at Centene, a lot of higher level people are already pretty pissed having to move all the way to Clayton. Thus according to them Centene will not be moving downtown anytime soon. The important people just live too far away.
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The Building you are referring to was the home of HomeState. Centene’s MISSOURI branded healthcare plan. Not corporate employees.rbb wrote:Pretty sure STLHistoryBuff is talking about a theoretical move from Clayton to downtown. And re: GoHarvOrGoHome's post, I know they used to have a presence at 16090 Swingley Ridge Rd in Chesterfield (the glass building visible roughtly at I-64 and Clarkson/Clayton) - perhaps the higher-ups he was referring to had to move from Chesterfield to Clayton? I think the point is that the majority of their workers live in West Co and/or St. Chas Co, so a commuter's preference (absent anything other than their own convenience) would be to move the business west, not further east.wabash wrote: ^ & ^^ That’s strange since Centene has been headquartered within a one block radius for at least the last 15 years. Perhaps as far back as its founding in the mid-80’s.
“My company is moving across the street, whoa is me.” Just seems a bit odd.
Also, there’s obviously no reason to move your home to Clayton or otherwise just because your employer is moving across the street from a building that is about 100’ from the headquarters before that. Your commute just might be changed by 15 seconds or so.
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Centene has a large presence at farty and 141 and farty and Timberlake Manor.
Truth. The HQ has a strict no jeans policy.STLhistoryBuff wrote:
Centene still has a big presence in Chesterfield. I work in Clayton, but most of IT is out there. People prefer it out there because it's generally closer to where they live and it's just more lax out there in regards to things like dress code.
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Now now, if you make a "contribution" to the . . . United Way I believe it is at the moment? . . . to the selected charity you are allowed to wear jeans. I believe once per modest donation. Essentially they have a pay to play casual Friday. Sort of. (Might not be every department, though.)moorlander wrote:Truth. The HQ has a strict no jeans policy.STLhistoryBuff wrote:
Centene still has a big presence in Chesterfield. I work in Clayton, but most of IT is out there. People prefer it out there because it's generally closer to where they live and it's just more lax out there in regards to things like dress code.
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Yepsymphonicpoet wrote:Now now, if you make a "contribution" to the . . . United Way I believe it is at the moment? . . . to the selected charity you are allowed to wear jeans. I believe once per modest donation. Essentially they have a pay to play casual Friday. Sort of. (Might not be every department, though.)moorlander wrote:Truth. The HQ has a strict no jeans policy.STLhistoryBuff wrote:
Centene still has a big presence in Chesterfield. I work in Clayton, but most of IT is out there. People prefer it out there because it's generally closer to where they live and it's just more lax out there in regards to things like dress code.
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^I do understand their supported charity campaigns go very well. And hey, I work in a business where black tie is regularly expected, so . . . I am dying of happy that I get to wear shorts for an outdoor gig next week. Shorts, I tell you! In St. Louis summer outside! Ecstasy! (I don't believe my friend at the Muny has it quite so good. Of course . . . he's at the Muny. So there are some other perqs.)
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Back again to eat crowmoorlander wrote:The performing arts center is happening. There are tax incentives requiring it be built within a certain timeframe.
