Right - We are in complete agreement - I was replying the enginerd's concern about being able to fit the football field in that spot.dweebe wrote: ↑Jan 04, 2024I don't think they need to move the Center of Clayton. If fact they probably need to double it's size. Anyone who has been in there on the weekend would understandjeff707 wrote: ↑Jan 04, 2024Fontbonne already uses the Clayton Athletic fields. I don't think the clayton football stadium needs to be very big at all - this isn't Texas, and CHS doesn't exactly have a track record of selling out the existing stadium. Just look at MRH or the relatively modestly sized (although very nice) football field at MICDS. That said, the bigger issue (in my mind) is also needing to move the Center of Clayton. I suppose they could leave the center of clayton, the pool, and the basketball courts where they are, tear down the remainder of the high school and the admin building that is there and make that half the athletic building/complex, and push the school up to Maryland.STLEnginerd wrote: ↑Jan 04, 2024I think it could be good. I think having an Urban style school would be good. It'd be interesting to see how compact they could make a high school campus.
I don't think the current athletic field would be allowed to be as dense as the Caleres property or the current high school location. If the goal i density i would argue for moving the High school to the athletic grounds and redevelop the current high school into dense development. I realize this probably isn't feasible for sq footage a traffic flow reasons but the current athletic fields would probably never be subdivided into anything other than SF detatched housing lots. Very expensive houses and very compact houses but not nearly as dense as could be built south of Maryland Ave.
I would also submit that it would make sense for Clayton to work out an arrangement with WashU to use Francis Field for games rather than maintaining their own sports field. The fact that every high school feels the need to have a football stadium a football practice field, a soccer field, a soccer practice field, a baseball field and a basketball stadium is an egregious use of space.
Which again plays in to my suggestion of the high school moving to the Calares space, moving the athletic fields down and selling off the upper Gay Fields and regaining that tax revenue land.
We don't know that's what they are doing. It is speculation at this point. They could also be adding an elementary school for all we know.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Jan 04, 2024I don’t understand why a shrinking school district is building a new high school. Is Clayton High so outdated that it’s beyond renovation?
Is it shrinking? I can't find any charts and the Wikipedia article is ancient.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Jan 04, 2024I don’t understand why a shrinking school district is building a new high school. Is Clayton High so outdated that it’s beyond renovation?
And I was just guessing based upon the recent tear down and complete rebuild of the middle school on Wydown.
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According to the BJ, Clayton School district enrolment is down more than 10% from 2017-2018 which makes sense given how small and unaffordable the Clayton school district is.
Have they said anything about building a new HS? I figured anything they use the Calares land for is going to be in addition to the current building.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Jan 04, 2024I don’t understand why a shrinking school district is building a new high school. Is Clayton High so outdated that it’s beyond renovation?
It was just a guess by me based upon the recent Wydown Middle tear down and construction.jshank83 wrote: ↑Jan 05, 2024Have they said anything about building a new HS? I figured anything they use the Calares land for is going to be in addition to the current building.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Jan 04, 2024I don’t understand why a shrinking school district is building a new high school. Is Clayton High so outdated that it’s beyond renovation?
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Perhaps we’ll learn more January 18
State of the City Address 2024
Thursday, January 18, 2024
4:00-6:00pm
State of the City Address 2024
Thursday, January 18, 2024
4:00-6:00pm
"will not disclose the sales price" - does this not violate some sunshine laws?
Thank goodness we don't have those obnoxious 20,000 seat high school stadiums like Texas does.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Jan 05, 2024What if it’s just for a new football field?
That wouldn't be awful if they sell the existing fieldJaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Jan 05, 2024What if it’s just for a new football field?
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I think it would still be pretty awful and it sounds like the last 35 years worth of Clayton Mayors agree
I wasn't commenting on the process they used, and considering Gary Pierson is also on the school board, I am not sure I give the benefit of the doubt on that.
I am simply saying that consolidating the campus is good, in a vacuum. Increasing the size of the Center of Clayton is good for the community, too. Selling Gay field and all of that property, getting $$ from the sale, and putting that land back onto the tax rolls is good.
Jamming a theoretical stadium up against Maryland is bad. The Highschool along Maryland is necessarily bad, as that would give the street more activation via students than most office developments would.
I am simply saying that consolidating the campus is good, in a vacuum. Increasing the size of the Center of Clayton is good for the community, too. Selling Gay field and all of that property, getting $$ from the sale, and putting that land back onto the tax rolls is good.
Jamming a theoretical stadium up against Maryland is bad. The Highschool along Maryland is necessarily bad, as that would give the street more activation via students than most office developments would.
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Gary recused himself due to conflict of interest.
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After looking at the decline of attendance at CHS can this really be necessary for any district goals?
As Clayton becomes increasingly affluent, I can't see enrollment at any school increasing. They have no room for population growth outside of vertical, and I expect the trend to send their kids to MICDS, Burroughs, Viz etc. will only increase as the city becomes more and more exclusive and likely begin at earlier ages.
I believe the addition of 2 new HQs - Emerson and Energizer, may exacerbate this further.
As Clayton becomes increasingly affluent, I can't see enrollment at any school increasing. They have no room for population growth outside of vertical, and I expect the trend to send their kids to MICDS, Burroughs, Viz etc. will only increase as the city becomes more and more exclusive and likely begin at earlier ages.
I believe the addition of 2 new HQs - Emerson and Energizer, may exacerbate this further.
clayton school district issues apology but appears to be still moving forward.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/edu ... p-homepage
The Clayton School Board apologized Tuesday for its lack of transparency around the district’s plans for the multi-million-dollar Caleres headquarters and said the property could potentially be sold to a developer.
“We are aware that our initial communication was inadequate, and we apologize for the misstep,” reads an email sent to Clayton residents. “Considering the feedback received, we think it is important to provide clarification on the rationale behind this strategic endeavor.”
The letter from six out of seven board members said “all options for this property are on the table, including informal proposals which we have received since our announcement that could return all or parts of this property to the tax roll.”
The board hopes the acquisition “will open doors for collaborative projects with the City and other stakeholders, including third-party developers, in order to create spaces which mutually serve our students and the broader community,” the letter reads.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/edu ... p-homepage
The Clayton School Board apologized Tuesday for its lack of transparency around the district’s plans for the multi-million-dollar Caleres headquarters and said the property could potentially be sold to a developer.
“We are aware that our initial communication was inadequate, and we apologize for the misstep,” reads an email sent to Clayton residents. “Considering the feedback received, we think it is important to provide clarification on the rationale behind this strategic endeavor.”
The letter from six out of seven board members said “all options for this property are on the table, including informal proposals which we have received since our announcement that could return all or parts of this property to the tax roll.”
The board hopes the acquisition “will open doors for collaborative projects with the City and other stakeholders, including third-party developers, in order to create spaces which mutually serve our students and the broader community,” the letter reads.
It should be noted that one of their primary justifications was security - increasing the school perimeter and eliminating nearby buildings. smh
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I hope the city of Clayton continues to fight the school district on this. What a waste.
According to KSDK, "The District" developer wants to develop a similar concept to "The Hub" (https://www.thedistrictstl.com/the-hub-stl/) on 4+ acres of the site.
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/educa ... fd401e59b9
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/educa ... fd401e59b9
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This Chesterfield Hub style plan is bad. I’m not saying the school plan is great either, but Clayton should not look to copy Chesterfield at anything. Look at all that surface parking.
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I think that this is a sign that Michael Staenberg is looking at this site for longterm development. If he got it, and did this, that gives him a way to develop something big down the line.
As much as we might not like these faux-urban projects in St. Louis and St. Charles County. I think we will increasingly see these type of lifestyle centers around the metro area. They are already very common across the country, St. Louis is just usually a decade or so behind the curve for whatever reason. It really just goes back to market research and the need for the suburban communities to "reinvent" themselves if they want the younger generations retail dollar. Places like this appeal to people that want a taste of urbanism, without having to travel too far or get our of their "comfort zone". It's not necessarily a bad thing and will likely be very successful. I don't think it poses any threat to legitimately urban districts.
What an odd place to put this. The only reason this is better than the school is because it brings in tax money. Im pretty sure an area like this with “outdoor bands” would get NIMBYd to death real quick in this location since it’s right next to neighborhoods.Tim wrote: ↑Jan 12, 2024According to KSDK, "The District" developer wants to develop a similar concept to "The Hub" (https://www.thedistrictstl.com/the-hub-stl/) on 4+ acres of the site.
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/educa ... fd401e59b9
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If this project were to include outdoor music events it would be dead on arrival. As much as I hate the fact that the Clayton School District has gotten involved with the Calares property, this would be worse. The previous two developer proposals (the most recent collapsing late last fall) were infinitely more desirable. Speaking as a nearby resident.