TGE-ATW wrote:The house voted to override bushies veto of the water resources bill that contains funding for Chouteau's Pond. The Senate is set to do the same in a few days.
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Sorry, had to do this to make it come up as an update.
Sorry, had to do this to make it come up as an update.
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TGE-ATW wrote:TGE-ATW wrote:The house voted to override bushies veto of the water resources bill that contains funding for Chouteau's Pond. The Senate is set to do the same in a few days.
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Sorry, had to do this to make it come up as an update.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument
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Republican Whip Roy Blunt of Missouri was the only member of the bistate delegation voting to sustain the veto.
Thanks, buddy.
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He's the quintessential "party man" in the rep party. But I guess thats why he's the whip
The Senate overrided the water bill veto today, marking the first veto override in Bush's presidency. Ref: http://tinyurl.com/369tmk. Isn't funding for the Greenway in this bill? If so, that should be good for us.
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if memory from 4th grade serves me right, that's it. ¡¡¡let's get a hells yeah here!!!
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School House Rock taught me everything I need to know about the legislative process....
www.school-house-rock.com/Bill.html
www.school-house-rock.com/Bill.html
Raining on the parade here. I believe the Water Resources Bill is an authorization bill versus an appropriation or spending bill. We will have to wait on the funding for the time being. Hopefully I'm mistaken.
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I thought it authorized the appropriated funds.
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Nope. Dredger's right. Some of the projects will probably not be funded in the end. Perhaps with the support of our MO politicians, we'll still see the funding for the river projects and the Chouteau plan.
Dredger appears to be correct.Dredger wrote:Raining on the parade here. I believe the Water Resources Bill is an authorization bill versus an appropriation or spending bill. We will have to wait on the funding for the time being. Hopefully I'm mistaken.
http://tinyurl.com/3x8xkq
"The U.S. Senate has voted 79-14 to override a presidential veto of a water resources bill that would authorize for Georgia $127 million in water infrastructure projects. The actual funding for the projects would come later during the appropriations process, according to Georgia Sens. Johnny Isakson and Saxby Chambliss."
Railroad yard may yet return to a lake
By David Nicklaus
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
11/16/2007
Inspiration often comes from surprising sources. For Richard Baron, it came from a cost overrun.
The old warehouse he was rehabbing into a Westin Hotel was sinking, which led to expensive stabilization work. It also led Baron to study old maps and discover that the warehouse had been built on the site of a natural lake, which was filled in after a cholera epidemic in the 1840s.
The lake may have been dysfunctional in 19th-century St. Louis, he reasoned, but it would be a wonderful amenity for 21st-century office workers and loft dwellers.
Thus, nearly a decade ago, began Baron's vision for the Chouteau Lake and Greenway. For most of the time since then, the project has been little more than a set of dreamy-looking drawings showing a water feature on the south edge of downtown and a greensward stretching west to Forest Park.
As of last week, however, the lake has official status: It's a line item in the federal government's brand-new Water Resources Development Act, which Congress enacted by overriding President George W. Bush's veto.
To be sure, the act only authorizes $10 million for Baron's project, and even that can't be spent unless Congress includes it in a future appropriation bill. That may take another long fight.
Baron, though, is feeling encouraged. The congressional authorization, he said, will allow him to negotiate an agreement with Union Pacific Railroad, which would have to move its tracks to make room for the lake.
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i was flying home from a business trip last night and was reading the airline mag and saw an article about Indianapolis's 50 million cultural trail. seemed like a pretty impressive project for linking together interesting sites around the city. seems like they raised about 80% of the funding for the project already (40M out of 50M) and are well on their way.
http://www.indyculturaltrail.info/
i really hope this Choteau Lake and greenway project comes to fuition one day.
http://www.indyculturaltrail.info/
i really hope this Choteau Lake and greenway project comes to fuition one day.
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Friday, February 13, 2009
Downtown development: What’s moving forward?
Chouteau Lake and Greenway
Developer: Richard Baron of McCormack Baron has supported the project since its its conception.
Cost: $400 million
Location: An area covering nearly 200 acres, with the goal of linking the downtown riverfront to Forest Park with bike paths and landscaped areas. A 16-acre lake is planned south of the new Busch Stadium. However, only a small portion of the entire project, about 10 acres, is owned by McCormack Baron. A bulk of the property is owned by the Missouri Pacific Raildroad Co.
Originally proposed: 2000
Current status: U.S. Sen. Christopher “Kit” Bond spoke in favor of the project at a press conference held downtown in October 2007. But no progress has been made on moving the project forward in recent months.
http://stlouis.bizjournals.com/stlouis/ ... ocus4.html
Downtown development: What’s moving forward?
Chouteau Lake and Greenway
Developer: Richard Baron of McCormack Baron has supported the project since its its conception.
Cost: $400 million
Location: An area covering nearly 200 acres, with the goal of linking the downtown riverfront to Forest Park with bike paths and landscaped areas. A 16-acre lake is planned south of the new Busch Stadium. However, only a small portion of the entire project, about 10 acres, is owned by McCormack Baron. A bulk of the property is owned by the Missouri Pacific Raildroad Co.
Originally proposed: 2000
Current status: U.S. Sen. Christopher “Kit” Bond spoke in favor of the project at a press conference held downtown in October 2007. But no progress has been made on moving the project forward in recent months.
http://stlouis.bizjournals.com/stlouis/ ... ocus4.html
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The biggest challenge for this project is getting MoPac to agree to relocate or bury the rail lines - neither of which I see happening any time soon. Rail may not be the industry it once was, but freight rail is still profitable.
Questions about this project that I would like to know is -
1. Who's responsible for the maintenance of the lake? Public, private, combination? Where does MSD come in?
2. How does the project propose to integrate with the surrounding areas, or will is be another virtual gated community like the BPV and TBD plans as originally conceived?
3. What enforcement measures will be taken to ensure any water traffic on the lake is respectful and appropriate? What additional police resources, if any, are required?
And so on
Questions about this project that I would like to know is -
1. Who's responsible for the maintenance of the lake? Public, private, combination? Where does MSD come in?
2. How does the project propose to integrate with the surrounding areas, or will is be another virtual gated community like the BPV and TBD plans as originally conceived?
3. What enforcement measures will be taken to ensure any water traffic on the lake is respectful and appropriate? What additional police resources, if any, are required?
And so on
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migueltejada wrote:3. What enforcement measures will be taken to ensure any water traffic on the lake is respectful and appropriate? What additional police resources, if any, are required?
My guess is that water traffic will be limited to rental rowboats, like in Forest Park. Hoosiers will not be allowed to bring their motor boat.
I think the word pond would be more appropriate then a lake. Then again, St. Louis with its affinity for open spaces we might as well as go full out for a lake.
Greetings from a newb.
I saw some blog entry about this Chouteau Greenway and got very excited about it...then I started reading more and noticed that this thread started in 2004 and very quickly my excitement faded.
So, what gives? Can anyone give an update on the current state of this? Will it happen in my next 3 years at WashU?
I saw some blog entry about this Chouteau Greenway and got very excited about it...then I started reading more and noticed that this thread started in 2004 and very quickly my excitement faded.
So, what gives? Can anyone give an update on the current state of this? Will it happen in my next 3 years at WashU?
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^ No.
It's a somewhat far flung vision proposed by developer Richard Baron. Some land has been acquired by either the city or Richard and could be used for the greenway. I think the removal of some railroad storage, moving of the main rail line along the valley from downtown to approximately Kingshighway is the main issue. The Union Pacific (I think it's them anyway) owns the vast majority of this land.
It's a somewhat far flung vision proposed by developer Richard Baron. Some land has been acquired by either the city or Richard and could be used for the greenway. I think the removal of some railroad storage, moving of the main rail line along the valley from downtown to approximately Kingshighway is the main issue. The Union Pacific (I think it's them anyway) owns the vast majority of this land.
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Probably 10-20 years away, if ever.