Dude calling out Coater in typical twitter fashion.
Going to stop now.
Has someone recently provided an analysis of the BOA? I was following the moderate vs progressive balance before the arrests, but haven’t been following since.
If Green wins, do progressives have any type of voting majority?
If so, how much can they do in four months with a progressive mayor? Any big budget annual decisions?
If Green wins, do progressives have any type of voting majority?
If so, how much can they do in four months with a progressive mayor? Any big budget annual decisions?
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I keep coming back to this post from GC in August. It crystallized how I felt then. 11 weeks later and I still feel the same way. The amount of vitriol I see from supporters of both candidates on NextDoor is unwarranted to say the least. We'll get through this folks.gone corporate wrote: ↑Aug 15, 2022Wow, the amount of hyperbolic drama in this thread is incredible... Let's all take a moment and realize that there really isn't very much difference between Jack Coatar and Megan Green where it comes to actual policy. All this "Lux Living checks!!!" crap is overdone comparable to saying "but his emails!!!" or "Hunter Coatar's laptop!!!"
The City will decide whether it wants a blue dog or a progressive in that seat. Both are reasonably quite ethical and have done well for their ward constituents. Personally, I'm going to vote for Jack because I'm more of a blue dog than a progressive; I have more confidence in him being able to handle more than the day-to-day responsibilities of an alderman; and quite honestly I just know him much better than I do Megan and am glad to stand up for his character whether candidate or not. He's smart, he's personable, and when I lived in Soulard, he represented our interests very well while keeping himself quite available to his constituents there.
Meanwhile, the degree to which some of y'all are painting the candidate in this race you're not going to vote for, it's honestly quite extreme. Remember, politics is about the art of negotiation and fighting for what's possible. When you make your opponent out as a devil incarnate, it's hard to bury that hatchet afterwards. When it happens for an inter-party primary race? Really? House divided, you guys.
The most critical inflection point coming up is the reduction of wards from 28-14. The current president of the board will be uniquely positioned to influence what kind of board we have after march 2023. Which alderman is assigned to which committee and what bills are allowed to go to those committees have a profound impact on what the board of aldermen is able ti accomplish before march 2023 and beyond.addxb2 wrote: ↑Nov 04, 2022Has someone recently provided an analysis of the BOA? I was following the moderate vs progressive balance before the arrests, but haven’t been following since.
If Green wins, do progressives have any type of voting majority?
If so, how much can they do in four months with a progressive mayor? Any big budget annual decisions?
Next door selects for the worst examples of humanity. It’s where anger and frustration go to find a voice.
Can you give examples of where in this thread you ( and GC) see hyperbole?
Can you give examples of where in this thread you ( and GC) see hyperbole?
^It's the internet my dude. Vitriol, histrionics, rending of garments and clutching of pearls are what its all about. Especially on CessPit, I mean NextDoor.
In normal times I'd agree w/ GC's typically blasé assessment, but the City is sitting on an unprecedented pile of free federal cash and eventually some Kroenke bucks too. PBOA has a significant role in dishing out that dough, and the two candidates have pretty different views about the role of government and how to govern. Only in the Greatest Country on Earth, where you must choose Red or Blue, are these two even in the same Party.
Personally, I don't like either of them. Jack seems like he might get things done, but they'll be the same things the City has always done: Throw money at developers and law enforcement. That worked pretty well for Slay when the national economy was booming, but those days are mostly gone post-2008/9. Green seems less capable and likely to try but fail at different, equally fruitless things, because you can't solve the worlds problems from City Hall.
As to addxb2's question about balance, I think its still pretty even: a few "progressives" in the near south, a few conservative or "establishment" types in the central corridor and southwest city, and the rest blow with the wind. Of course all of that is about to get disrupted big time when the board contracts to 14 in 2023.
In normal times I'd agree w/ GC's typically blasé assessment, but the City is sitting on an unprecedented pile of free federal cash and eventually some Kroenke bucks too. PBOA has a significant role in dishing out that dough, and the two candidates have pretty different views about the role of government and how to govern. Only in the Greatest Country on Earth, where you must choose Red or Blue, are these two even in the same Party.
Personally, I don't like either of them. Jack seems like he might get things done, but they'll be the same things the City has always done: Throw money at developers and law enforcement. That worked pretty well for Slay when the national economy was booming, but those days are mostly gone post-2008/9. Green seems less capable and likely to try but fail at different, equally fruitless things, because you can't solve the worlds problems from City Hall.
As to addxb2's question about balance, I think its still pretty even: a few "progressives" in the near south, a few conservative or "establishment" types in the central corridor and southwest city, and the rest blow with the wind. Of course all of that is about to get disrupted big time when the board contracts to 14 in 2023.
Support her or not, the energy in Green’s campaign is refreshingly positive. From the canvas rally this am:
In a bit of an anti-climactic finish, Megan Green wins the President of the Board of Aldermen race roughly 55%-45%. Do we see a match-up between these two again in the spring, or does someone else jump in?
Filing begins for BoA President and Aldermen in all 14 wards Nov 28
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... andidates/
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... andidates/
Damn, Coatar really bombed. Only won 3 wards, and the ward most proximate to the one he represented (8) only gave him 50.9%.
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Editorial by Jacob Kirn, Managing Editor, STL Business Journal: Tuesday's election seals it: The Francis Slay-Lyda Krewson era really is over
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He positioned himself as more of a centrist which is a valid strategy but tough sledding when the city has consistently voted progressive the past few cycles.
Will be interesting to see who will challenge Green next year. Cara Spencer could make a good run at it IMO.
Will be interesting to see who will challenge Green next year. Cara Spencer could make a good run at it IMO.
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I Dunno unless the wheels fall off right away why not just let her run unopposed. The general consensus on this site was that the result between these two was not something to get particularly spun up about. Both were acceptable, some had preferences. Why go through a whole new campaign when the voters have spoken decisively in a fairly high turnout midterm election. Any candidate who wants could challenge her, it's their prerogative but I think it reasonable to consider just letting her have it rather than waste the resources trying to flip it right away, when they could instead be spent on other political campaigns at the local state and federal level.
Agree completely. Setting aside whatever I might think of Green in particular, it will be beneficial to have some continuity at the Board amidst the broader upheaval coming in 2023.STLEnginerd wrote: ↑Nov 09, 2022I Dunno unless the wheels fall off right away why not just let her run unopposed. The general consensus on this site was that the result between these two was not something to get particularly spun up about. Both were acceptable, some had preferences. Why go through a whole new campaign when the voters have spoken decisively in a fairly high turnout midterm election. Any candidate who wants could challenge her, it's their prerogative but I think it reasonable to consider just letting her have it rather than waste the resources trying to flip it right away, when they could instead be spent on other political campaigns at the local state and federal level.
I’ve known and supported Megan for years. She did the hard work of building grassroots relationships. And she did it with a fraction of the big money Jack pulled in.
I don’t see anyone in the current crop of alder people who could realistically challenge the broad coalition support she has earned for herself. Even less likely so for an outsider to do in 4 months. Let’s see who decides to try.
The woman was castigated, arrested, insulted, threatened, written off by convention and yet here she is today. Don’t know if I would have found the strength to persevere.
RESPECT.
Would be poetic justice when she sits down to preside over BOA sessions as Mr Reed heads to sentencing.
I don’t see anyone in the current crop of alder people who could realistically challenge the broad coalition support she has earned for herself. Even less likely so for an outsider to do in 4 months. Let’s see who decides to try.
The woman was castigated, arrested, insulted, threatened, written off by convention and yet here she is today. Don’t know if I would have found the strength to persevere.
RESPECT.
Would be poetic justice when she sits down to preside over BOA sessions as Mr Reed heads to sentencing.
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Green could lose to someone that can get the Mayors and Bushes endorsement, it’s a state rep but he won’t run for this job any time soon
Unlikely that Bush and Jones will endorse anyone else for president BOA in the near future. Coulda wouldas aside.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Nov 09, 2022Green could lose to someone that can get the Mayors and Bushes endorsement, it’s a state rep but he won’t run for this job any time soon
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If you're looking for the ward level results, the city has them up. But here's a quick graphic to make clear what DB said. With Jones's endorsement Green was probably a shoe in.
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I honestly wish they wouldn't have held the special election and let Vollmer stay acting BoA Prez until spring.
Now a day after Green wins we have Oldenburg saying he may challenge her. We need a break!
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... 56448.html
Now a day after Green wins we have Oldenburg saying he may challenge her. We need a break!
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... 56448.html
They really should just move all the city elections to even numbered years. I don't know the exact history of why St. Louis has local elections the way it does but in general classic (corrupt) political machines loved lots of low turnout elections that they could control. And have all the aldermen elected, PBOA, Mayor, and City offices be elected at the same time too.
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Megan Green was my Alderwoman.
When will my ward be voting to replace her? Next year, right?
I wonder who will be running for it. I remember Jennifer Florida ran against her the last time; it wouldn't shock me at all if she ran again.
When will my ward be voting to replace her? Next year, right?
I wonder who will be running for it. I remember Jennifer Florida ran against her the last time; it wouldn't shock me at all if she ran again.
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^I would wager someone from Megan's campaign would run in her place and get her endorsement.
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I would definitely think she'd want to replace her progressive seat with a progressive seat.